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Post September 3rd, 2013, 2:01 am

Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Since Professor Binns is most incompetent teacher in school and its wonder that Umbridge didit get rid of him?.
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Post September 3rd, 2013, 3:26 pm

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I actually asked this question on the facebook page I admin. Some logical explanations are that since History of Magic is not a practical magic subject, the Ministry did not see it as a threat, or that since Binns taught in a method that was extremely similar to Umbridge's, that Umbridge would have approved of it.
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Post September 3rd, 2013, 4:51 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

hayden_potter wrote:I actually asked this question on the facebook page I admin. Some logical explanations are that since History of Magic is not a practical magic subject, the Ministry did not see it as a threat, or that since Binns taught in a method that was extremely similar to Umbridge's, that Umbridge would have approved of it.

Can I please see page and send me link please?.
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Post September 5th, 2013, 12:47 am

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Why would she consider him incompetent? He shows up without fail and expounds upon the material diligently and without any irrelevant information reaching the students. Umbridge could care less that the students are bored to death, and actually, she's probably pleased they consider it torture.
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Post October 9th, 2013, 3:43 pm

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I never got the feeling from reading the books that Binns was incompetent at all. The students don't like him, and they are bored to tears, but that doesn't make you incompetent. If anything, I would think that he would end up on Umbridge's good list.

He's actually one of the more interesting teachers, and he gets no mention at all in the movies (I wonder if any people going to Universal Studios
Island of Adventure were wondering who he was when he gets mentioned in one of story moments).
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Post March 21st, 2014, 6:53 pm

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He didn't pose a threat to the Minsitry by having gis own opinion, and he wasn't a halfbreed, o she didn't care about him.
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Post March 21st, 2014, 11:27 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Plus, how could she make that ghost's life more miserable?
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Post May 13th, 2014, 2:54 pm

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lordxixor101 wrote:I never got the feeling from reading the books that Binns was incompetent at all.


He is an accomplished magical historian, but he is completely incompetent as a teacher. He cares nothing about the students' engagement in the subject. Heck, he cares nothing about the students, not even bothering to remember their names.
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Post July 4th, 2014, 9:13 am

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those saying binnis subject wasnt posing any threat, what about trelawney and divination? that doesnt seem to be a threatening subject. she wasnt a half-bred. her great grandmother was a witch too.
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Post July 4th, 2014, 3:45 pm

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wizen wrote:those saying binnis subject wasnt posing any threat, what about trelawney and divination? that doesnt seem to be a threatening subject. she wasnt a half-bred. her great grandmother was a witch too.


But Umbridge was a bully. She saw weakness in Trelawney and so decided to pick on her...
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Post July 6th, 2014, 4:01 am

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He was in his own world so much and couldn't care less about what was going on around him. So she was the same with him - she couldn't care less about him.
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Post September 20th, 2014, 3:55 am

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

hayden_potter wrote:
wizen wrote:those saying binnis subject wasnt posing any threat, what about trelawney and divination? that doesnt seem to be a threatening subject. she wasnt a half-bred. her great grandmother was a witch too.


But Umbridge was a bully. She saw weakness in Trelawney and so decided to pick on her...


Not just that, Trelawney had a huge connection to Potter. Remember it was she who made the prophecy. It could have been very possible that Umbridge was asked to get Trelawney out of the castle so Voldemort could get his hands on her.
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Post September 20th, 2014, 9:50 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Nessa wrote:
hayden_potter wrote:
wizen wrote:those saying binnis subject wasnt posing any threat, what about trelawney and divination? that doesnt seem to be a threatening subject. she wasnt a half-bred. her great grandmother was a witch too.


But Umbridge was a bully. She saw weakness in Trelawney and so decided to pick on her...


Not just that, Trelawney had a huge connection to Potter. Remember it was she who made the prophecy. It could have been very possible that Umbridge was asked to get Trelawney out of the castle so Voldemort could get his hands on her.


Who would have asked Umbridge to get Trelawney out of the castle? It's simply the fact that Umbrudge doesn't believe and respect that subject nor Trelawney, and as an inspector she had the right to kick T. out, and Umbridge is willing to use her rights. As I remember neither Dumbledore or McGonagall thought that the subject Divination is any useful, or Trelawney has any talent. But they had to keep her safe and in the castle because of the Prophecy. Umbridge didn't know about the prophecy and also she denied that Voldy returned, she just saw an incopetent teacher.
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Post September 21st, 2014, 1:58 am

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zartacla wrote:Who would have asked Umbridge to get Trelawney out of the castle? It's simply the fact that Umbrudge doesn't believe and respect that subject nor Trelawney, and as an inspector she had the right to kick T. out, and Umbridge is willing to use her rights. As I remember neither Dumbledore or McGonagall thought that the subject Divination is any useful, or Trelawney has any talent. But they had to keep her safe and in the castle because of the Prophecy. Umbridge didn't know about the prophecy and also she denied that Voldy returned, she just saw an incopetent teacher.


Lucius Malfoy. After all they were on speaking terms and that was the year Voldemort was trying to get to the prophecy. You are right, Mcgonagall did think very low of the subject and while Dumbledore may not hold too much stock in things like that he was the one the prophecy was made out to originally, and he knew how important it was to keep Trelawney safe in the castle. I'm not saying Umbridge was some sort of mastermind DE but she sure as hell was easily influenced by them. The only problem I see in my own argument is that only those who the prophecy speak of can take it from the Hall of Prophecy, apparently not even the seer who made them. -Shrugs- Maybe its just one big coincedence that of all the teachers Umbridge picked on, JKR hi-lights Trelawney the most. The one who actually created the connection between Harry and Voldemort , marking him as the chosen one and giving him credibility. Something Umbridge always tried to undermine.
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Post September 21st, 2014, 11:42 am

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Umbridge had a thing for Professor Binns and saw Trelawney as her biggest rival for his affections- Image

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Actually, I think Nessa is probably right- I can imagine Lucius Malfoy 'warning' Umbridge that Trelawney has a long held reputation for being a fraud, an incompetent teacher and a drain on wizarding taxes. Additionally, if Umbridge thought that Trelawney had only kept her job because she was a particular favourite of Dumbledore's, she would be even more keen to undermine Dumbledore's power by firing one of his 'mates' over the headmaster's head.

Snape was the one who overheard Trelawney's prophesy and I imagine he passed this detail on to Voldemort (at this time, he was still in Voldemort's employ.) Voldemort was desperate to know the remainder of the prophesy and we know from his account in GoF that he was able to break through the memory charm cast on Bertha Jorkins to retrieve the memories suppressed by this spell. Even though Trelawney is unable to remember any of her true prophesies, Voldemort was probably confident in his ability to somehow access this information from her brain. Of course, Voldemort was unable to do this while Trelawney was under the protection of Dumbledore and Hogwarts.
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Post September 22nd, 2014, 12:52 am

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Samovila wrote:Umbridge had a thing for Professor Binns and saw Trelawney as her biggest rival for his affections- Image

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Actually, I think Nessa is probably right- I can imagine Lucius Malfoy 'warning' Umbridge that Trelawney has a long held reputation for being a fraud, an incompetent teacher and a drain on wizarding taxes. Additionally, if Umbridge thought that Trelawney had only kept her job because she was a particular favourite of Dumbledore's, she would be even more keen to undermine Dumbledore's power by firing one of his 'mates' over the headmaster's head.

Snape was the one who overheard Trelawney's prophesy and I imagine he passed this detail on to Voldemort (at this time, he was still in Voldemort's employ.) Voldemort was desperate to know the remainder of the prophesy and we know from his account in GoF that he was able to break through the memory charm cast on Bertha Jorkins to retrieve the memories suppressed by this spell. Even though Trelawney is unable to remember any of her true prophesies, Voldemort was probably confident in his ability to somehow access this information from her brain. Of course, Voldemort was unable to do this while Trelawney was under the protection of Dumbledore and Hogwarts.


I like your theory on Binns too lol
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Post October 13th, 2014, 5:35 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Because nobody else was up for the job of teacher for history of magic.
Come to think of it, maybe also Umbridge fell asleep in the lesson she inspected him and didn't want to be rude so she just gave him a pass.
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Post July 10th, 2015, 8:15 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

He wasn't a threat to her or the ministry, the students were bored to tears in his lessons, he taught in an approved way, no wands etc, just him repeating his facts
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Post July 14th, 2015, 1:21 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Who says he is incompetent? His classes are boring, but then again, it's from Harry's point of view and he never likes his classes and he isn't a very attentive student. Binns could have been confused, most likely because he was a ghost, but many teachers mix up names. As seen in COS, he was a well-informed teacher who really knew his subject.

Also, why should Umbridge have fired him if he didn't endanger her? She couldn't have cared less about him...
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Post July 29th, 2015, 12:08 am

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Sugar quill wrote:Who says he is incompetent? His classes are boring, but then again, it's from Harry's point of view and he never likes his classes and he isn't a very attentive student. Binns could have been confused, most likely because he was a ghost, but many teachers mix up names. As seen in COS, he was a well-informed teacher who really knew his subject.

Also, why should Umbridge have fired him if he didn't endanger her? She couldn't have cared less about him...


I agree - I don't think having boring subject matter to teach makes you a bad teacher. He also wasn't a threat, as mentioned.
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Post March 1st, 2017, 11:22 pm

Re: Why didit Umbridge get Binnis fired?.

Like others have said, I feel that Umbridge simply sees Binns as someone who taught his class in a Ministry-approved manner. After all, he just taught the students straight from the books. Remember how Umbridge said the incompetent Quirrell was a good teacher? Probably the same logic applies here.
Binns is a very knowledgeable teacher no doubt about that, but he simply isn't very good at teaching. There is something seriously wrong with the class if only one student can engage with the teacher even with really interesting subject materials like goblin riots (I would like to know more about them!).

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