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Post February 26th, 2015, 5:12 pm

Vernon and Hogsmeade?

At the beginning of POA, Uncle Vernon (grudgingly) offers to sign Harry's permission form to see Hogsmeade, as long as he behaves himself with Aunt Marge.

Would he have done it though? Even though he doesn't like or care about Harry at all, Im inclined to think he would have.

He isn't 100% bad. He seems the type of person to honor an agreement, and respect strength, tenacity, and one keeping one's word. He seemed to recognize that Marge's criticisms and barbs at Harry were unusually cruel and abusive, even by Dursley standards. Neither he nor Petunia really encouraged or commented on Marge's abuse of Harry (wrong with the bitch, wrong with the pup :fire: !) and Vernon occasionally tried to defuse tension by changing the subject from Harry to other things.

Would he have kept his word, or just been a jerk and say "just kidding" and find an excuse for why Harry didn't do behave himself?
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Post February 26th, 2015, 7:07 pm

Re: Vernon and Hogsmeade?

I think he would have kept his word. He has a lot more to lose than to gain by not following through. If he signs the form, he establishes a precident with Harry that he will follow through on his threats/promises, which is really his only viable way of controlling Harry's magic. And later he can find Harry's weaknesses/desires and exploit them to make Harry do what he wants. If he doesn't sign the form, Harry has no reason to trust even a little that he has anything to gain from cooperating with his Uncle. And this could lead to a more erratic and uncontrollable Harry. Whether Vernon is 100% bad or not, it is to his benefit to keep to his word.
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Post February 26th, 2015, 7:11 pm

Re: Vernon and Hogsmeade?

Gotta love his cover story for Aunt Marge. Hogwarts= Criminal school for boys and James Potter=Welfare bum.

Is there a reason Vernon couldn't have said Harry goes to a boarding school and James was say.. idk a factory worker or janitor? Just seems more dignified.

Idk whether it was because Vernon hated Harry, or it just was consistent with the narrative Marge had of Harry as a no good runt who came from trash.

Btw, Stephan Fry's reading of that whole chapter was great :lol: !
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Post February 26th, 2015, 7:21 pm

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Seems to me he is just feeding into Marge's personality and pleasure for teasing Harry while at the same time taking pleasure in his favorite pastime, bullying Harry.
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Post February 26th, 2015, 7:24 pm

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Yet he knew it couldn't get out of hand, because he was legit scared that Harry would start talking about Magic.

He must have felt tense or ill at ease when Marge started saying Harry's mother and father were no good lay abouts and how he was a sickly, scrawny runt.

Im not sure why he believed Harry would be capable of taking that for a week and not doing something "freaky".

I do believe also that Marge is the worst Dursley, no contest at all ( wishing Harry to be beaten, having her dog chase him up a tree till midnight, comparing him and his parents to dogs, etc.)
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Post February 26th, 2015, 7:37 pm

Re: Vernon and Hogsmeade?

APWBD1881 wrote:I think he would have kept his word. He has a lot more to lose than to gain by not following through. If he signs the form, he establishes a precident with Harry that he will follow through on his threats/promises, which is really his only viable way of controlling Harry's magic. And later he can find Harry's weaknesses/desires and exploit them to make Harry do what he wants. If he doesn't sign the form, Harry has no reason to trust even a little that he has anything to gain from cooperating with his Uncle. And this could lead to a more erratic and uncontrollable Harry. Whether Vernon is 100% bad or not, it is to his benefit to keep to his word.



This is brilliant and it really sounds like something Vernon would do. It was the perfect manipulation tool. The Dursley's were beyond terrified of Harry's magic and everything related to the wizarding world. They were constantly unsure if or when an, in their minds, dangerous and spontaneous or deliberate outburst of magic would occur--this gave Harry the upper hand. However, having something Harry desperately wanted, gave Vernon a bit more control of the situation.
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Post February 26th, 2015, 11:57 pm

Re: Vernon and Hogsmeade?

Makes me wonder if Harry's relationship with Vernon was... slightly better than it was with Petunia?

Whenever Harry has to tell the Dursleys about some sort of magical thing, he goes to Vernon to do it (Hogmseade permission, going to Quidditch World Cup, Fleeing Privet Drive).

Could it be that he just has more rapport with Vernon, or knows what to say to him more? Or is it just that Vernon is the paterfamilias, or self-designated "man of the house" who must be informed of everything important?

To his great credit.. he never tried to smack Harry with a frying pan..
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Post February 27th, 2015, 12:16 am

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No, but he did fasten bars to Harry's window and feed him through a cat flap on the door.
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Post March 16th, 2015, 10:59 am

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Petunia had just been jealous of her sister.
Any child would love to do magic.

But yes they where always cruel to Harry.
Spoiling Dudley all those presents he got on his eleventh no kid gets that many. The his mum telling him he will get more from the shops when he was going to have a tantrum for getting less than the year before.
When Dudley had to lose weight, Harry was given the less grapefruit than Dudley.

That cupboard under the stairs while Dudley had two rooms.
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Post January 5th, 2017, 4:14 pm

Re: Vernon and Hogsmeade?

SecretaryofMagic wrote:At the beginning of POA, Uncle Vernon (grudgingly) offers to sign Harry's permission form to see Hogsmeade, as long as he behaves himself with Aunt Marge.

Would he have done it though? Even though he doesn't like or care about Harry at all, Im inclined to think he would have.

He isn't 100% bad. He seems the type of person to honor an agreement, and respect strength, tenacity, and one keeping one's word. He seemed to recognize that Marge's criticisms and barbs at Harry were unusually cruel and abusive, even by Dursley standards. Neither he nor Petunia really encouraged or commented on Marge's abuse of Harry (wrong with the bitch, wrong with the pup :fire: !) and Vernon occasionally tried to defuse tension by changing the subject from Harry to other things.

Would he have kept his word, or just been a jerk and say "just kidding" and find an excuse for why Harry didn't do behave himself?


I think Vernon would keep his word. As bad as the Dursleys are, they are not evil.
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