Thane Blackthorn wrote:
Ah, does your hypocrisy know no bounds? First you say this:
GellertGPhoenix wrote: Maybe you could do me the service of not assuming that all left-minded people and minorities are the same person. We'll probably get along better if you rid yourself of that assumption.
But then in the same post you say this:
GellertGPhoenix wrote: These goddamn gays. They must be devil-spawn. And oh no, the world's being overrun by women...
I'm going to take a gamble and say that you're a straight white male.
So by implication one must conclude that it is only straight white males who disagree with you, but that all women, gays, and minorities must agree with you. See I'm not the one assuming here; you are.
I'm sorry. Sometimes I forget that humor can be mistranslated over text. That was me joking. I don't actually believe that, I was just making a joke about societal assumptions.
Honestly I have no way of knowing you gender, sexuality or ethnicity. And for your information, the majority of my friends are in fact, straight white males.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:As to what I am....you're about 75% right. I'll let you try and figure out where you went wrong on that one. (Couldn't be because you're assuming could it? *hint*)
Wait, no, don't tell me. I bet you're... um... wait a minute. *counts down letters* LGBTQIAUVWXYZ... Er, one of those letters.
Sorry, I have a horrible sense of humor.
(You're not funny Gellert, shut up)
Thane Blackthorn wrote:As far as me thinking that leftists and minorities all think alike; not only do I think they don't think alike, I know they don't. And I most asuredly know that they all don't think like you. I know you've been taught to think that anyone who doesn't tow the PC line must be a straight white, racist, misogynistic, male SOB. Sorry to bust you bubble, but that's just not it. There are many in the gay world who don't see things your way. Many in the black world who just don't see things your way. And the saddest thing is, is that people like yourself don't see that your ideology is both offensive and a huge step backwards. Things weren't perfect, but with each generation strides have been moving forward. Slower than many would have liked, but forward non the less. And your ilk is destroying that progress.
Except, that's... not what I've been taught. Look, take everything I say with a grain of salt. If I sound like I hate right-minded people, there's a good chance that I'm messing with you. Here's the thing. I honestly don't think that our thinking is that different. I really don't.
Me personally, I like to make jokes about different groups of people, and I'll do it just as much to myself or my own groups. It's more my sense of humor than anything else. Like I'll say: Those goddamn Republicans! Or Those goddamn Democrats! Or those goddamn gays! Those goddamn liberals! Those goddamn forum goers! It's my idea of a good joke.
I frequently find society amusing, with all their little "boxes".
Thane Blackthorn wrote:That's a big part of you PC types problem.
Hmm... "you PC types"?
See I'm not the one assuming here; you are.
Ah wait... I finally looked it up... PC= Politically correct. I get it now. TMA for me. (Too Many Acronyms) That makes so much more sense.
Well I like to be politically correct, where I can... but that doesn't make me a type, I don't think.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:
Without a vote, without being asked, without going out and actually talking to the people, you've taken it upon yourselves to be the spokesmen for all these so called oppressed peoples. And why not? The so called enlightened ones, the elites, don't need to do anything like that. They know what's best for everyone else, don't they?
So you presume to think that only evil white men would think you're wrong.
Oh come on, I never said that. You know, I'm friends with a lot of Republicans, Democrats, and people of all ethnicities. I don't think any one type of people are evil. (Yeah, If some of my er... more "liberal" friends heard me right now... Whew.) (Can I be honest with you? Whatever I might say... I don't hate anyone. I can't. My family and friends might give me daggers if I told them that I don't hate people like Trump or Pence, but... I don't. I might hate things that they do. I do
hate some of the things that they do. It's not really in my nature to hate people though. Not unless I know them. I don't hate you. I don't hate republicans. I don't hate straight people. I don't hate white people (I am white) I don't hate nazis... wait did I just say that? Heh. You get my gist.
Thane Blackthorn wrote: And that all those you deem to be members of the oppressed automatically will agree with you. I mean how could they not....you're only trying to help them by banning words, shutting down free speech, shouting down ideas not your own, keeping everyone in their segregated safe zones, infantilizing entire races of people, and keeping everyone divided with party politics? Look at all you are doing for the cause of....freedom? No that's not it. Just what the hell is your goal anyway? All I see is a bunch of whiny bitching and moaning about your feelings and being upset when you don't get your way.
And... the warm fuzzy feeling I just had is gone. Well then, okay. So offensive words and the like is just... free speech, and so is calling people names... free speech. *sighs*
Well. Fuck this.
My goal? I really want people to stop fighting. I want people to stop hating. I want people to all sing Kumbaya and hold hands under a tree together... Kidding on the last part. No, mostly I want to help people. Not just one type.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:Your whole ideology is built on a foundation that consists of two main ingredients. Ego and feelings. If it doesn't feel right it must be wrong. Truth, facts, logic all have no place here unless the feeling is right.
You're right. I hate logic.
Thane Blackthorn wrote: And the ego to think that you're speaking for anyone other than yourself and your closed minded, goose stepping PC thugs. I mean I do feel for you. I'm sorry that you have experienced bullying. (At least you make it sound as if you have been.) But what you fail to see is that now you are the bully.
I haven't been bullied as much as some people. I really care about my friends though. All of the people I know who are transgender or non-binary have not been forceful; but rather, if you want to be friends with them, or have good relations with them, then you should really use their correct pronouns. Which I think is pretty reasonable. After all, they use your correct pronouns, do they not?
Thane Blackthorn wrote:Remember that scenario you set up. I noticed that my tweeking of it got an odd response. As if you didn't even get what it was about on your end, let alone mine. But I noticed that you didn't seem to have any problem with a small group of people, who were not being oppressed, and who had other options, still forcing things to get their way. And I find that interesting and very telling.
Er... What? I don't really understand what you're saying. Maybe rephrase? Sorry... or it could be I'm just a little forgetful.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:People who share your ideology are just making up problems that don't exist at all, or taking on relatively small problems that need little to no attention at this time.
If it's such a small problem, then why is it getting so much attention? Sorry if that sounded smartass. What I mean to say is, while it might seem small to you, it obviously seems like a big issue to many other people, otherwise it wouldn't be so prominent.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:I don't disagree with you because your trans, or queer, or gay, or a man, or a woman, or black, or Latino, or a Muslim, or whatever other little box you want to stick other people into. I disagree with you because you're wrong.
Well... Thanks. I guess.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:
GellertGPhoenix wrote:Your professors couldn't teach a class properly?
Who said anything about my professor(s)? Thankfully I was out of school by the time the patients started taking over the asylum. I just know people still in that environment, and I have seen and read up on what's going on. One doesn't actually have to be in the desert to know that there's very little water there.
Another poorly delivered joke on my behalf... No, I presumed as much. I was making the point of, how could you know that professors are struggling to teach, if they didn't do so when teaching you?
Thane Blackthorn wrote:
GellertGPhoenix wrote:Well. That's rude. No need to make it personal buddy. I'm just trying to be myself. I'm not believing in my gender any more than you are yours. Chill it. I am not attacking you, so you don't need to take a jab at me. Live and let live, if you get my drift... You know, if you're wondering why LGBT+ people go crazy pissed at you or people with a similar mindset, this might be it.
Personal? Look, if telling you the truth hurts, and you take it personally, nothing I can do about that. It's certainly not going to stop me from stating it. (At least till you little fascists get any real power and start throwing people into re-education camps.)
Your truth may not be mine. There is no "right" for all people. There is no universal "truth." You can say things like "There is no such thing as genders other than man and woman"- but how do you know unless you are living that life? How do we know that the sky is blue? Someone else might perceive it as what we would consider green.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:
GellertGPhoenix wrote:Okay. I hear you. And if I were in your situation, who knows? Maybe I would think the same. I'm not, though. I'm from the standpoint of a person who has had to call friends down from that place. I'm a person who knows that those people are alienated, teased, abused and raped. It's not a mental disorder. They are among a society where they do not fit in. Something a sociology teacher pointed out to me... Suicide rates are higher in "happier" countries than those in countries that are more "depressed." You ask, why is this? It's because, in the "happy" countries, the people that are depressed, feel more so, because they are more alone. In a country where most people are unhappy, there will be less suicides because people will feel like their life matches that of those around them.
Sociology teacher? Weren't you paying attention? They may as well rename that class Politically Correct Indoctrination 101. You can't rely on anything in the way of facts in classes like that. It's filled with half truths, made up data from no reliable source, propaganda, and just out right lies.
There were actually very many sources sited in my class... All of which are reliable, to my knowledge.
Thane Blackthorn wrote:(At least by your made up standards.)
Are you asking me to bring up statistics?
Thane Blackthorn wrote: But having said that just simple reason should dictate that the suicide rate in the trans world and others who have been, or currently are, being oppressed being relatively the same. Maybe a point or two difference at best. (And I'm talking about peoples who live in the happy go lucky western world.) But you're seeing a 30+ percentage points spike. Sorry, you'll have to do a lot better than that to convince me that their suicide rate and their transgenderism isn't apart of the same mental disorder.
Because there are plenty of satisfied, happy transgendered and transexual adults, and even adolescents, provided an environment where they are accepted as part of society.
And this video... Hate to say it, but... It's kind of BS.