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Post June 27th, 2015, 8:57 am

Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Come on its just some house cup.
I'm on about some saying how horrible Dumbledore was at the end.

Whats the big deal, I think winning the Quidditch cup is more important.
Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw turned against Harry when he lost 50 house points just for being up at night.

You probably didn't know that schools actually had houses many years ago. Not boarding ones either, but they could've have had them and might still but I don't know anything about them.
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Post June 29th, 2015, 10:12 pm

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

I'm assuming you mean at the end-of-year feast. Not bashing Dumbledore here, but to the rest of the students it would seem like he was displaying favoritism towards the Gryffindors and Harry especially. I'm sure this would also just give the Slytherin students further cause to distance themselves from the rest of the student population, as they lost the House Cup because of this.
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Post August 12th, 2015, 7:55 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Slytherin had been winning the house cup for six years.
Gryffindor had been near winning but three Gryffindors lost 50 points for being up at night.

A nice moment to show how heroic four Gryffindors where at the end of term.
But nooooo its being biased towards Gryffindor because Slytherin had been winning for six years.

Why does it bother anyone that all four houses don't unite including, Slytherin. (Because of some sorting hat song lolz)
Why does it bother anyone that its all Gryffindor erm the books are about Harry Potter and its his house.
JK Rowling will be supporting Gryffindor because she had written Harry Potter and that is his house.
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Post August 12th, 2015, 9:39 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

I did find it a bit weird that Harry got 60 points. If he had awarded him 50 then I think it would've been less suspicious. 60 just happened to be the amount needed to tie with Slytherin.

JKR should've have Gryffindor 150 points behind Slytherin, not 160. That way the Trio all got 50 points (and deservedly so) and Nevilles 10 point (again, awarded correctly imo) would've still won it.
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Post August 20th, 2015, 1:30 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

It would have been fine if Dumbledore had given Gryffindor the points before the ceremony and everyone knew that Gryffindor were the real winners. There was no good reason for this because Dumbledore knew what the trio and Neville had done before the start of the ceremony.

The accusation that Dumbledore was unfair and biased comes from the way he went about doing this. Slytherin House was led to believe that they had won the cup and the hall was decorated in their colours. Then, Dumbledore hands out the 'last minute points', tells the students that Gryffindor is now ahead and changes the scene to reflect their victory.

Telling someone they've won something and then saying "Oh, sorry- you haven't won it after all" is far worse than being honest about this in the first place. It's kind of like giving a kid some sweets and then snatching them straight back before they've eaten any. It's much fairer to not give the sweets in the first place.

Gryffindor deserved the victory but they should have been declared the winners before Slytherin were falsely informed that they had won.
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Post August 26th, 2015, 4:56 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Samovila wrote:Gryffindor deserved the victory but they should have been declared the winners before Slytherin were falsely informed that they had won.

Agreed. I wouldn't go as far to say that the ending "upset" me, I was more annoyed.
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Post March 28th, 2016, 5:10 pm

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I think it upset some because they thought it was unfair that Dumbledore gave them the points at the last minute. I mean, Slytherins were probably the ones most upset by the incident.
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Post December 27th, 2016, 5:41 pm

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

kingirl89 wrote:
Why does it bother anyone that its all Gryffindor erm the books are about Harry Potter and its his house.
JK Rowling will be supporting Gryffindor because she had written Harry Potter and that is his house.


So? Just because someone is a main character so he/she and everything he/she's in must be shown favoritism? Sounds like a Broken Aesop to me.
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Post April 8th, 2017, 4:48 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Slytherin had that house cup won fair and square, and to see Dumbledore negate that victory by awarding those last-minute points was just disgusting. Every time I watch that scene, it makes me mad.
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Post April 8th, 2017, 10:48 pm

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FracturedRocket wrote:Slytherin had that house cup won fair and square, and to see Dumbledore negate that victory by awarding those last-minute points was just disgusting. Every time I watch that scene, it makes me mad.


It's the idea that the Syltherins won "fair and square" that makes me laugh.
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Post April 15th, 2017, 8:13 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

I kind of thought that tackling a giant chess set, solving snape's riddle and in general risking lives to save Hogwarts, thwart Voldemort, and save the world deserved more than 160 points.

Talk about being a cheapo there Dumbledore.
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Post May 9th, 2017, 6:01 pm

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I always looked at it from he standpoint that Gryffindor lost lost more points over the course of the book than they were given by Dumbledore at the end. It kind of justified it to me in some way that they deserved those points anyways.
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Post May 18th, 2017, 4:29 am

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Grrarrggh wrote:
FracturedRocket wrote:Slytherin had that house cup won fair and square, and to see Dumbledore negate that victory by awarding those last-minute points was just disgusting. Every time I watch that scene, it makes me mad.


It's the idea that the Syltherins won "fair and square" that makes me laugh.


I honestly agree with this... Professor Snape blatantly showed favoritism to his house and awarded them points that were not deserved while subtracting points from Gryffindor for awful reasons. The other Heads of Houses were not nearly as biased in the way they awarded or subtracted points.
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Post May 20th, 2017, 3:55 pm

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Still think he was pretty cheap.
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Post May 21st, 2017, 1:38 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

GinChaser wrote:Still think he was pretty cheap.


It was cheap the way he did it at the last minute, making Slytherin think that they had won, but honestly, it doesn't make me mad because I don't necessarily think Slytherin won the Cup fair and square in the first place. Dumbledore is totally a troll though lol.
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Post June 19th, 2017, 3:04 pm

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I think thwarting Lord Voldemort should be worth like a thousand points at least.
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Post June 19th, 2017, 6:43 pm

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Regardless which house "deserved" the win, Dumbledore was still a jerk in how he made the official change. There was no need to make a show of public humiliation toward children who genuinely thought they won the house cup, only to have it snatched away without everyone being given prior notice, when Dumbledore absolutely knew he was going to be making the house change beforehand. Stupidly dramatic.
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Post June 20th, 2017, 2:40 pm

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Sometimes I think we over analyze this stuff...
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Post June 21st, 2017, 12:35 pm

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But one of the main lessons taught at Hogwarts is that Life Is Unfair, Dangerous and Often Sucks. Dumbledore was just keeping that up.
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Post June 21st, 2017, 2:42 pm

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GinChaser wrote:Sometimes I think we over analyze this stuff...

Well, that is a general thing among fandoms.
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Post July 12th, 2017, 8:03 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

In my opinion, Gryffindor deserved the cup. And it should be much more than 10 points gap.

The way Dumbledore did it was wrong. When Slyhterins were celebrating their victory, he shouldn't have done that.

But if answering a question correctly in Charms is 10 points, defeating Voldemort is 1000 points. Therefore Gryffindor still wins.
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Post August 26th, 2017, 3:38 pm

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

Yeah, as others have said, it does seem like a huge display of favouritism for Dumbledore to give Gryffindor just enough points to overtake Slytherin and win the House Cup, regardless of whether they deserved it or not.
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Post October 26th, 2017, 7:54 pm

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Thats becauee Dumbledore is the ultimate Troll.
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Post October 27th, 2017, 4:53 am

Re: Why did the house cup bit at the end upset some.

When Snape takes lots of points from Gryffindors and presumably from Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw a bit; that is fine. But when Gyffindor gains points because ''they defeated Voldemort'', it is upsetting. Damn you all.

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