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Post March 2nd, 2017, 12:22 am

Possible plot hole involving Quirrel and the mirror?!

So harry is told by albus when hes recovering after defeating quirrel that he got the stone because he wanted the stone but dident want to use it. (He wanted to give it back to albus). But quirrel dident want to use it. So if the stone only appeared to "one who wanted the stone but did not want to use it" then surely quirrel should have recieved the stone as he dident want to use it.
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Post March 2nd, 2017, 12:27 am

Re: Possible plot hole involving Quirrel and the mirror?!

He was sharing his body with Voldemort, so the mirror counted them both as the same person. Plus, maybe Quirrel did want to use it. We don't know if he wanted to or not.
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Post March 3rd, 2017, 4:10 am

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It's either a plot hole or, I suppose, Dumbledore was being over obvious with his answer. Or straight lying.
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Post March 3rd, 2017, 8:56 am

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I just don't think Dumbledore (or JKR through Dumbledore) really explains himself properly. I think it's quite simple: anyone who wanted to obtain the stone, but never make use of it, would be presented with it. Harry was never going to use the Stone, he merely wanted to stop it being used. Quirrell wanted it so that he could use it to bring Voldemort back.

That was my interpretation of it anyway.
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Post March 3rd, 2017, 3:34 pm

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But you could argue that Harry knew that by giving it to Dumbledore the Flamels would continue to make use of it.
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Post March 3rd, 2017, 5:35 pm

Re: Possible plot hole involving Quirrel and the mirror?!

You could argue that, but do you have to?

If you insist on having specific wording that leaves no hole, the actual explanation is:

"Whoever wanted to find the stone, but not use it, (hereinby designating "use it" to encompass using for personal profit or glory) could get the stone. (Subset B. also dictates that the stone can be used by a third party if in fact the third party is A. The creator or co-creator of said stone or B. Has no affiliation to or arrangement with a designated co-conspirator of Dark Art alliegence. Furthermore, a standard exists that if the co-conspirator wanted to find the stone and hide the stone from their conspirator, the mirror would disallow such a transaction if at a past or present date said co-conspirator ever in fact share a body, mind or substantial phsycal/mental/emotion connection to a party of Dark Arts allegiance. Subset C. dictating hereby that sharing "a body, mind or substantial connection to..." includes but is not limited to body horcruxing, unwillful or willful possession, unwillful or willful legilmency. And Subset D. designates "Dark Arts allegiance" to include but not limit to excessive use of an Unforgiveable Curse, any life extending magic if in practice causes a hinderance or undesired effect on an innocent, unknowing, noncompliant or uncooperative party, or one whose endmeans are to cause death to or constrict liberties of magical or non-magical peoples, beasts, creatures, or beings.)"

But for the sake of the seven years olds that read the story, I'm glad Dumbledore gave the abridged answer.

And SecretaryofMagic, please review the preceeding clauses and advise for making the document airtight with no loop or plot holes. Thank you.

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Post March 9th, 2017, 3:04 pm

Re: Possible plot hole involving Quirrel and the mirror?!

Well the stone was going to be destroyed, after Harry got it.
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Post March 9th, 2017, 9:07 pm

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kingirl89 wrote:Well the stone was going to be destroyed, after Harry got it.


Harry, the retriever of the stone didn't think that was going to happen when he retrieved it.
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Post March 11th, 2017, 12:20 am

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But he wasn't getting it so Flamel could use it. He was getting it so Voldemort wouldn't.
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Post March 29th, 2017, 3:09 am

Re: Possible plot hole involving Quirrel and the mirror?!

Adults are all corrupted. Children are innocent. Quirrell wanted the stone for personal gain, regardless of whether he would use it himself. If he could, I imagine that he might have, however.
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Post March 29th, 2017, 6:50 am

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I wish I could be a optimistic about children as you GG but I've known too many.
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Post April 15th, 2017, 8:14 am

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Eleven year olds are hardly awful at that age.
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Post April 16th, 2017, 6:41 pm

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Ehhh, for the most part. But they're definitely not "innocent" as claimed. Nor are all adults corrupt.
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Post May 15th, 2017, 1:47 pm

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GinChaser wrote:Eleven year olds are hardly awful at that age.

Did you forget Dudley and Draco exist in that universe?
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Post August 26th, 2017, 7:57 pm

Re: Possible plot hole involving Quirrel and the mirror?!

It's not really a plot hole. The given explanation fits. The Stone would only present itself to the person that wanted to possess it but not use it for their own gain. Harry didn't want to use it personally. He wanted to obtain it simply to stop Voldemort from obtaining it, which is clearly not for his own gain. Quirrell wanted to obtain it to use it to help Voldemort survive, which would be in his interest.

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