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Post October 1st, 2017, 1:49 am

What I Think of Severus Snape

I have mixed feelings on this character. He's a well written character and Alan Rickman (RIP) was perfect for the role, but as a person... I just can't seem to like him. He didn't have a great childhood, but that doesn't really excuse his future actions, like bullying his own students and disliking Harry just because he looked James.

Then there's his feelings for Lily. It's a shame their friendship ended on such bad terms, but I'm having trouble believing that Snape genuinely loved her. Perhaps not exactly obsessed, but he seemed to at least be emotionally dependent on her. And even while they were still friends, he wasn't exactly very nice, like when he spoke to Petunia when they first met.

And I would just like to point out that no, this in no way means I am justifying or ignoring James Potter's bullying towards him. James was a huge jerk when he was a teen and Snape had every right to hate him, but that by no means excuses his own bad actions.

If he really loved Lily as much as he so claimed, then he wouldn't have been so mean towards Harry—he was her son too, after all. It wasn't his fault he looked so much like his father, nor should he be blamed for James stupid actions.

But here's the thing about James—he changed for the better by his seventh year, and that's when Lily agreed to date him and the rest is history. She didn't even seem to consider him an option as a romantic partner until after he changed, considering she was as unimpressed by him as Snape was before then.

I'd also like to point out that the bullying wasn't really one-sided either. Again, James was terrible, but Snape would also cast spells against his bully as well, so it was mutual.

Both Snape [em]and[/em] James were terrible people, but whereas James eventually grew to become a (mostly) better person, Snape never really moved on and remained bitter to the point of being mean to his own students. He was a Death Eater and only switched sides because of Lily, but then it was pretty much all but outright stated that he would've let James and Harry die if it meant Lily was spared.

I can see why some would think of him as brave since going undercover and working for Dumbledore behind Voldemort's back does take bravery, but his good qualities shouldn't overshadow the bad ones, or vice versa for that matter. The same goes for any character, really.

I may like Snape as a character, but that doesn't mean I have to like him as a person.
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Post October 1st, 2017, 5:00 am

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It's understandable that you won't like him as a person. I don't think he himself would say that he was a nice guy. That said, I think that the assertion that he didn't change doesn't reflect the truth. Teenage Snape was quite selfish, easily influenced, and had several prejudices. The Professor Snape we see later on has matured quite a bit, is a master occlumens and actually influences the two most powerful wizards of the time, has realized how wrong he was during his teenage years and more than just sacrificing his life, is ready to face the scorn of all wizarding world before and after he dies to protect even those that would like nothing more than to kill him.

I found this line to be quite telling of Snape's transformation:
Chapter 33, Deathly Hallows wrote:"You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?"

"Don't be shocked, Severus. How many men and women have you watched die?"

"Lately, only those whom I could not save," said Snape.
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Post October 1st, 2017, 5:42 am

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I have your opinions too mostly although I don't think James or Sirius was a bully towards Snape. That was just the worst memory of him. But we know that Snape knew lots of curses, capable to defend himself, and he too attacks James in every opportunity he found.
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Post October 1st, 2017, 6:32 am

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Wun Wun wrote:It's understandable that you won't like him as a person. I don't think he himself would say that he was a nice guy. That said, I think that the assertion that he didn't change doesn't reflect the truth. Teenage Snape was quite selfish, easily influenced, and had several prejudices. The Professor Snape we see later on has matured quite a bit, is a master occlumens and actually influences the two most powerful wizards of the time, has realized how wrong he was during his teenage years and more than just sacrificing his life, is ready to face the scorn of all wizarding world before and after he dies to protect even those that would like nothing more than to kill him.

I found this line to be quite telling of Snape's transformation:
Chapter 33, Deathly Hallows wrote:"You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?"

"Don't be shocked, Severus. How many men and women have you watched die?"

"Lately, only those whom I could not save," said Snape.



Obviously. They werent at war. It had been a long time.

I dont think hes changed. If he had and he was motivated by something other then his own guilt and his own need for revenge...he woukd have been a better person. Maybe not a.snugly puppy dog...but at least not the venomous snake he continued to be.
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Post October 2nd, 2017, 5:33 am

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GinChaser wrote:Obviously. They werent at war. It had been a long time.

What are you referring to?
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Post October 11th, 2017, 4:24 pm

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GinChaser wrote:Obviously. They werent at war. It had been a long time.

What are you referring to?


He hadnt wayched anyone die for awhole becaise they werent at war.
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Post October 19th, 2017, 9:44 pm

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Snape is a difficult character. From a literature point of view he is interesting. Someone to show us that you don't have to be good, to do good. But as a character he is unsympathetic.

I'm maybe one of the people that found Snape less likable in the last book and I wasn't really surprised by the whole being in love with Lily thing. That was may first thought when I read the fifth book, but dismissed it because it sounded to cliche for my liking.
Snape was never a passive character so the idea that his worst memory could be defined by something another teenager did to him never made sense to me. I always looked at what Snape did in that scene and that was always burning down a bridge to someone willing to help him.

I have to say I'm not sure if I see him as so brave as everybody says, because what is bravery if you have literally nothing to lose? he had no friends or family and he was so depressed that he didn't care for his own life.

One other thing about Snape that annoy me and is often overlooked. He made the fight against Voldemort a lot more difficult than t needed to be.
Why? Because he only accepted O students in his NEWT classes and not like other teachers O and E students. And for what do you need NEWT level in potion? Auror and healer. What to you need in a war against a dark wizard? Aurors and healers.
So Snape had artificially limited the number of aurors and healers of around fifteen years before the second war.
Why does nobody ever talk about that and why was he even allowed to do so?
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Post October 20th, 2017, 6:10 am

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Ponder wrote: One other thing about Snape that annoy me and is often overlooked. He made the fight against Voldemort a lot more difficult than t needed to be.
Why? Because he only accepted O students in his NEWT classes and not like other teachers O and E students. And for what do you need NEWT level in potion? Auror and healer. What to you need in a war against a dark wizard? Aurors and healers.
So Snape had artificially limited the number of aurors and healers of around fifteen years before the second war.
Why does nobody ever talk about that and why was he even allowed to do so?


People do talk about it, and his teaching ability as a whole (which wasn't very high). Its yet another reason I despise him and don't think he was oh so heroic.
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Post October 26th, 2017, 8:17 pm

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Ponder wrote:Snape is a difficult character. From a literature point of view he is interesting. Someone to show us that you don't have to be good, to do good. But as a character he is unsympathetic.

I'm maybe one of the people that found Snape less likable in the last book and I wasn't really surprised by the whole being in love with Lily thing. That was may first thought when I read the fifth book, but dismissed it because it sounded to cliche for my liking.
Snape was never a passive character so the idea that his worst memory could be defined by something another teenager did to him never made sense to me. I always looked at what Snape did in that scene and that was always burning down a bridge to someone willing to help him.

I have to say I'm not sure if I see him as so brave as everybody says, because what is bravery if you have literally nothing to lose? he had no friends or family and he was so depressed that he didn't care for his own life.

One other thing about Snape that annoy me and is often overlooked. He made the fight against Voldemort a lot more difficult than t needed to be.
Why? Because he only accepted O students in his NEWT classes and not like other teachers O and E students. And for what do you need NEWT level in potion? Auror and healer. What to you need in a war against a dark wizard? Aurors and healers.
So Snape had artificially limited the number of aurors and healers of around fifteen years before the second war.
Why does nobody ever talk about that and why was he even allowed to do so?


I honestly had never thought of that before. Totally agree though.
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Post October 29th, 2017, 2:23 pm

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GinChaser wrote:I honestly had never thought of that before. Totally agree though.


Thank you and which part was a new idea for you?
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Post October 29th, 2017, 3:24 pm

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That he impeded the second war by only accepting O students. Never thought about that.


Can we appreciate a little bit kore how awesome Tonks must be if she's an auror? Se must have had an O in potions.
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Post October 29th, 2017, 7:35 pm

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GinChaser wrote:That he impeded the second war by only accepting O students. Never thought about that.


Can we appreciate a little bit kore how awesome Tonks must be if she's an auror? Se must have had an O in potions.


Tonks is totally awesome!
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