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mynameiskerry_xo
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 Posted: August 12, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: " Expelliarmus" - spoilers |
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I recently re-read the 7th book and I picked up on something. In chapter 5 @ the Burrow Harry says that he used "Expelliarmus" against Stan Shunpike.
Lupin later says, " Expelliarmus is a useful spell,Harry, but the Death Eaters seem to think it is your signature movie, and I urge you not to let it become so!"
I found it funny that Expelliarmus is EXACTLY what Harry used when Voldemort tried tried "Avada Kedavra". It sure as hell saved him there. But ofcourse, I'm sure JKR made the excerpt above a forshadowing to the final battle between Harry & Voldemort.
PS. Sorry if there's a threat about this already, I haven't really looked. |
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Arabella
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yeah I loved that. but a lot of people think harry using expelliarmus to defeat voldy was lame...but I thought it was really awesome. I don't think Harry's soul was split because of that.
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Sorry but I'm a little slow here  Why did expelliarmus cause voldemort's killing curse to rebound? I thought it was only a disarming spell? 
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Arabella
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think it was that it made the wand fly out of his hand and it turned itself to get Voldy instead, since it couldn't harm its master. I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't shouted expelliarmus...
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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he always uses that and i dont understan dhow it stands up to avada kadavra
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joyeuxism
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Oh, thanks Arabella!
Which means that Harry survived the killing curse.. twice? Or more than that? Okay at least twice.
Wow. This guys's tough.
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| cards101 wrote: |
| he always uses that and i dont understan dhow it stands up to avada kadavra |
Now this is all speculation and theory, but I believe every magic spell is as powerful as the next, they just have different outcomes. But I think the main thing was, like Voldemort was told in one of Harry's visions, that the wand would never do his bidding, or accept him as its master. Harry was the master of the wand, so he couldn't be harmed by it.
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| DumbledoreEL wrote: |
| cards101 wrote: |
| he always uses that and i dont understan dhow it stands up to avada kadavra |
Now this is all speculation and theory, but I believe every magic spell is as powerful as the next, they just have different outcomes. But I think the main thing was, like Voldemort was told in one of Harry's visions, that the wand would never do his bidding, or accept him as its master. Harry was the master of the wand, so he couldn't be harmed by it. |
You know that does make a lot of sence. heres what I think
I think the elder wand was super powerful but only for harry because it senced its master was in trouble. so just like when voldemort tried to kill Harry the first time 17 years ago the spell did hit harry but instead of his mothers love it was just the spell cast by his own wand and it bounced off harry and hit Voldy.
I dont know if someone already said that but I just had to get that out of me...
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Arabella wrote: |
| yeah I loved that. but a lot of people think harry using expelliarmus to defeat voldy was lame...but I thought it was really awesome. I don't think Harry's soul was split because of that. |
but i dont think his soul would have been split for using avada kedavra on voldie i meen when voldie did it he was killing for no good reason. Harry would be killing to save lives. |
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Arabella
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killing splits the soul...I don't think the reasons would effect that. But I could be wrong.
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I think it was poetic that Harry used his trusty, reliable spell as opposed to an Unforgivable Curse to reach his means.
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| joyeuxism wrote: |
Oh, thanks Arabella!
Which means that Harry survived the killing curse.. twice? Or more than that? Okay at least twice.
Wow. This guys's tough. |
He survived it three times. Of course, when he was a baby, because his mother chose death in an ultimatun. The second time was in the forest when he passed out and did whatever he did there. Then he survived at the final battle. My theory goes right along with Arabella. I think that the spell rebounded because Harry was the master of the wand. All that the expelliarmus charm did was make the scene more dramatic. Harry has had extremely good luck.
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| man i think it's ridiculous that final battle the war was good but harry vs voldy I mean 2 spells at least voldy and DD used like 6 spells in their battle well at least in the movie |
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| man i think it's ridiculous that final battle the war was good but harry vs voldy I mean 2 spells at least voldy and DD used like 6 spells in their battle well at least in the movie |
He did not think that it would be as difficult to kill Harry. Voldemort had a very simple mind. This was a boy. He did not waste his time with frivalties when he did not have to. He was not trying to kill with style. The faster that he could get some one out of his way, the better. Simply having Voldie use AK was perfect.
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| Personally, if I were going for a "signature move" I wouldn't use Expelliarmus. That only disarms your opponent, but it doesn't do anything else. If Voldemort hadn't been stupid (which he is, most of the time), he could've just retrieved his wand. I think Harry should've gotten into something like Protego or Stupefy...something a bit more defensive. |
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| Arabella wrote: |
| killing splits the soul...I don't think the reasons would effect that. But I could be wrong. |
I think it says 'acts of terrible evil' or something like that. Killing is just usually that kind of act. I remember Dumbledore telling Snape (in the Prince's Tale chapter) that his soul wouldn't be torn for 'helping an old man escape pain and humiliation' i.e. killing him.
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I thought I remember reading that killing and other terrible acts like that can cause tears in your soul, that normally mend. However by use of dark magic you can take advantage of that tear in the soul and forcefully divide it and create a horcrux.
It was all in the explanation of the horcrux section of the book.
I mean otherwise killing people would constantly divide your soul and anybody would be in worse shape than voldemort in no time at all after 7 killings. He was so messed up because he actually did divide his soul into 8 pieces (if you count the one in his body) |
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| GinnyX wrote: |
| I think it was poetic that Harry used his trusty, reliable spell as opposed to an Unforgivable Curse to reach his means. |
i thought so too. harry never resorted to killing. he almost killed belatrix in order of the phoenix but he didn't. harry's not the killing type. i mean come he saved draco, his rival for 7 long years, in the 7th book. harry's very noble and pure... i also thought it was poetic how he used his simple spell against voldy's killing curse and came out victorious. 
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| Arabella wrote: |
| killing splits the soul...I don't think the reasons would effect that. But I could be wrong. |
Killing in the sense of cold blooded murder splits the soul, but I don't believe that when people are killed because of someone rebounding a spell onto someone else that it harms your soul in the same way. That is just my belief though.
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucy wrote: |
| Arabella wrote: |
| killing splits the soul...I don't think the reasons would effect that. But I could be wrong. |
Killing in the sense of cold blooded murder splits the soul, but I don't believe that when people are killed because of someone rebounding a spell onto someone else that it harms your soul in the same way. That is just my belief though. |
jk often leaves many things for us to think over when we finish reading a hp book... thankfully we can vent here
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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ok thats great youve all had your theories now its my turn.
Of course harry knew his simple spell would in turn cause the death of voldermort because hw was the true owner of his wand. and harry also knew that in killing voldermort his sould would split into two. what everyone fails to see is that harry after killing voldermort realizes he himself can step into voldermorts place and take over the world...thus when killing voldermort he created a horcrux and placed it in the elder wand...the actuall elder wand..the one he destroyed in the end wasn't the real one! its all very simple and sets up the next installment of
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Harry Potter: The Darkest Years
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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ok thats great youve all had your theories now its my turn.
Of course harry knew his simple spell would in turn cause the death of voldermort because hw was the true owner of his wand. and harry also knew that in killing voldermort his sould would split into two. what everyone fails to see is that harry after killing voldermort realizes he himself can step into voldermorts place and take over the world...thus when killing voldermort he created a horcrux and placed it in the elder wand...the actuall elder wand..the one he destroyed in the end wasn't the real one! its all very simple and sets up the next installment of
**********Drum roll please**********
Harry Potter: The Darkest Years |
yes I see what you are saying, but then harry said that the evil of the wand would die when He (harry) dies right???[/quote]
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| Posted: August 23, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Arabella wrote: |
| killing splits the soul...I don't think the reasons would effect that. But I could be wrong. |
But does that mean Snape's soul is split?
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