at first ron kind of comes off as kind of the dumb one. but i think there's alot more to him than we first think. he ends up actually being quite smart.
that said i still think harry has the stronger mind. he's been through more and i think he does have a little more depth and intelligence than ron. _________________
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I think they're pretty even but, the impression I got from the books is that Harry is slightly brighter than Ron _________________ E.B.M#1 cycle to the dark side
They make Ron look so dumb in the books, but actually, he's just as smart as Harry. I think Ron is better at thinking ahead and thinking strategically and that gives him a bit of an edge. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
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Ron is just as smart as Harry. The problem is that Ron doesn't often apply himself as Harry does. (In school)
But outside that, both boys display different kind sof intelligence that the other doesn't really have. As best friends, they balance each other out, and then we pull in Hermione who is good with remembering facts, and we have the perfect team of plan-making, quick-wits and booksmarts. _________________ The Most Popular Book in the Whole World
They make Ron look so dumb in the books, but actually, he's just as smart as Harry. I think Ron is better at thinking ahead and thinking strategically and that gives him a bit of an edge.
do you mean the movies or the books?
i disagree, i think harry is slightly smarter than ron, but i dont think ron is stupid at all so it annoys me to no end that they play him stupid in the movies _________________
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They make Ron look so dumb in the books, but actually, he's just as smart as Harry. I think Ron is better at thinking ahead and thinking strategically and that gives him a bit of an edge.
do you mean the movies or the books?
i disagree, i think harry is slightly smarter than ron, but i dont think ron is stupid at all so it annoys me to no end that they play him stupid in the movies
Both, but definitely in the movies.
On teh books, Hermione is always surprised when he does something well... we always hear him complaining about schoolwork and he tends to mess up spells.... but when he actually applies himself, he is quite talented. He's not dumb... but you getthe impression he doesn't work up to his full potential.
In the movies they make him look like a dumbass sometimes.... Harry and Hermione are ALWAYS bailing him out of trouble, except in the first film where he sacrifices himself during the chess match. Otherwise, it's Ron who panics during the Devil's Snare, not Hermione and that little bit set them up to make Ron look like the unstable one and Hermione and Harry are the calm, collected ones.
but in reality, Ron and Harry achieve all the same basic grades, except for their DADA owl, which I thought was absurd, because Harry received extra credit for producing a full patronus, but so could a lot of others.. and he received extra help in DADA his third year to achieve that when no one else did. He did better in his DADA final in his third year, but again, he received extra help when no one else did. I think the OWL test in his fifth year was absurd because the others should have been allowed to attempt extra credit, as well. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
i dont think they show ron particularly stupid in the books, they show him like more of a regular guy, not stupid but more of a regular inteligent kind, harry is about the same, only slightly more inteligent
what they do show both in the books and the movies is his immaturity, which sometimes makes him look stupid, when he isnt, he's just being childish, which is different
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in reality, Ron and Harry achieve all the same basic grades, except for their DADA owl, which I thought was absurd, because Harry received extra credit for producing a full patronus, but so could a lot of others
i dont think it was because of that that he got an O, i think he would've got it even without the patronus, and ur forgetting that he was better at DADA than the rest not only on that, not for nothing was he teaching the whole DA, he even taught the twins and angelina who were 2 years older than him, he was obviously a natural on the DADA
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and he received extra help in DADA his third year to achieve that when no one else did. He did better in his DADA final in his third year, but again, he received extra help when no one else did
yes he recieved help for the patronus, but the amazement that he managed it implies the fact that, even with extra help, most students wouldnt have managed it at such a young age
and i have no idea what ur talking about when u say he recieved help in the 3rd year DADA exam
about the movies, i totally agree with u! i hate that they make him look stupid all the time! it annoys me so much! _________________
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i dont think it was because of that that he got an O, i think he would've got it even without the patronus, and ur forgetting that he was better at DADA than the rest not only on that, not for nothing was he teaching the whole DA, he even taught the twins and angelina who were 2 years older than him, he was obviously a natural on the DADA
Okay.. he only showed improvement in DADA after he received extra help from Lupin. Period. He was taught how to produce the patronus from a skilled professor. The DA learned it from a skilled student. This doesn't make Harry better at the patronus in any way. So for him to receive extra credit for it is unfair to the other students. We'll never know if his extra credit gave him the O or if he already had an O and the patronus was just a bit more. Either way, that extra credit could have given Ron an O, too. Same with Hermione.
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yes he recieved help for the patronus, but the amazement that he managed it implies the fact that, even with extra help, most students wouldnt have managed it at such a young age
But they did manage it. Lupin underestimated the students, as did many wizards before him. JKR herself has said this in an interview.
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and i have no idea what ur talking about when u say he recieved help in the 3rd year DADA exam
Lupin tutored him on how to produce a patronus to ward of dementors using a boggart that looked like a dementor. Harry spent a good portion of the year facing his fear. During the end exam in their third year, Hermione freaked out because of her boggart. She had never faced her fear before, unlike Harry. So he had an unfair advantage over her and most of the other students. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
Okay.. he only showed improvement in DADA after he received extra help from Lupin. Period. He was taught how to produce the patronus from a skilled professor. The DA learned it from a skilled student. This doesn't make Harry better at the patronus in any way. So for him to receive extra credit for it is unfair to the other students. We'll never know if his extra credit gave him the O or if he already had an O and the patronus was just a bit more. Either way, that extra credit could have given Ron an O, too. Same with Hermione.
firstly, dude, how could he have shown any skills at DADA with the crapy professors they had? with quirrel they never did anything practical (which we know its harry's strongest point) and with lockhart the class was a laugh
then, as i already said in the thing u quoted, i dont hink that it was the extra points of the patronus, i think he got the O from the rest of the test, and why not? he is obviously amazingly skilled at it
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But they did manage it. Lupin underestimated the students, as did many wizards before him. JKR herself has said this in an interview.
yes, but not at 13, its a really hard bit of magic, not appropriate for third years, very advanced, i doubt very much that more than a few would've managed it at that age, and i dont think lupin underestimated anyone, he said some never manage to learn it, which i have no trouble believing since we see plenty of crappy adult wizards/witches on the series who im sure cant do it, he didnt mean that most in his class wouldnt manage it in more advanced years
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Lupin tutored him on how to produce a patronus to ward of dementors using a boggart that looked like a dementor. Harry spent a good portion of the year facing his fear. During the end exam in their third year, Hermione freaked out because of her boggart. She had never faced her fear before, unlike Harry. So he had an unfair advantage over her and most of the other students
er... i dont remember this part very well to be honest, does he use the patronus or the ridiculus? _________________
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firstly, dude, how could he have shown any skills at DADA with the crapy professors they had? with quirrel they never did anything practical (which we know its harry's strongest point) and with lockhart the class was a laugh
Exactly. I don't think you're debating with me here, I just dont' think you understood my original argument.
Ron's strongst point was also practical, but he, too, never had a chance to show it until third year.
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then, as i already said in the thing u quoted, i dont hink that it was the extra points of the patronus, i think he got the O from the rest of the test, and why not? he is obviously amazingly skilled at it
We don't know that, though. We know he did fine during the practical OWLs, and we think he did alright during the written.
We dont' know exactly how Ron did on the written, but we know he messed up a bit on the practical. We don't know whether or not Ron would have gotten an O, too, if he had the chance to perform the patronus charm, as well. Same with Hermione.
Harry had an unfair advantage. If you are going to allow one student to do extra credit, you have to allow other students, as well. Had Ron been given the chance, he, too, might have received an O.
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But they did manage it. Lupin underestimated the students, as did many wizards before him. JKR herself has said this in an interview.
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yes, but not at 13, its a really hard bit of magic, not appropriate for third years, very advanced, i doubt very much that more than a few would've managed it at that age, and i dont think lupin underestimated anyone, he said some never manage to learn it, which i have no trouble believing since we see plenty of crappy adult wizards/witches on the series who im sure cant do it, he didnt mean that most in his class wouldnt manage it in more advanced years
Some could have included Ron and Hermione.
We'll never know, though.
JKR said that he underestimated the students.. not beacuse he didn't think they coud do it, but because it was rare for a 13 year old to be taught such spells. But for all we know, if the students had been given one-on-one tutoring, then they, too, could have produced a patronus charm.
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Lupin tutored him on how to produce a patronus to ward of dementors using a boggart that looked like a dementor. Harry spent a good portion of the year facing his fear. During the end exam in their third year, Hermione freaked out because of her boggart. She had never faced her fear before, unlike Harry. So he had an unfair advantage over her and most of the other students
Again, you missed my point. The spell doesn't matter.
Harry got to face his fear. Everytime he practiced with Lupin, he had to look at a dementor, whether it was real or not doesn't matter because it's effect was the same... it scared the poo out of him. He KNEW was his biggest fear was entering the final exam. Hermione didn't and was caught unawares.
Had Hermione received more time practicing with her fear, or any time at all, she, too, might have aced that test. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
Wow, people are giving this thought. Ron was, to me, the stupid one at first, but then matures and finally gets smarter. He seems like a book smart kid, while Harry has "street smarts". _________________ Huge Harry/Ginny fan!
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