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So, Out of curiosity, do you guys/girls think muggles can see the Hogwarts train and/or train tracks? It comes out the train station itself so any ordinary muggle would think of it as a normal track. As for the train, it really does look more old fashioned then the rest on the muggle platforms. So, What'd ya think?
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I think that it's cloaked, like the Platform is.
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You might find this essay interesting:
http://www.hp-lexicon.info/essays/essay-platform-nine-and-three-quarters.html
I agree with Ginny. The plarform and the train must be cloaked. The same set of tracks run through the entire station, so it's hard to imagine a different set of tracks for them. Of course, as the essay provided point out, this would cause problems. For examply, the old steam engines go very slow. A muggle train would slam into it. The only other option that I can think of is they they have wizards working at the train station who arrange for the trains to be delayed a day so that the Hogwarts Express can make it safely back.
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| zengrenouille wrote: |
| The only other option that I can think of is they they have wizards working at the train station who arrange for the trains to be delayed a day so that the Hogwarts Express can make it safely back. |
I can agree with this. It's very logical. I wonder if there was ever a muggle who thought something suspicious because every year, twice a year, the Hogwarts Express travels back and forth at a specific time.
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| The only other option that I can think of is they they have wizards working at the train station who arrange for the trains to be delayed a day so that the Hogwarts Express can make it safely back. |
I can agree with this. It's very logical. I wonder if there was ever a muggle who thought something suspicious because every year, twice a year, the Hogwarts Express travels back and forth at a specific time. |
haha . . . The muggles could think that those days are cursed.
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| The only other option that I can think of is they they have wizards working at the train station who arrange for the trains to be delayed a day so that the Hogwarts Express can make it safely back. |
I can agree with this. It's very logical. I wonder if there was ever a muggle who thought something suspicious because every year, twice a year, the Hogwarts Express travels back and forth at a specific time. |
haha . . . The muggles could think that those days are cursed. |
It worked with Riddle Manor. 
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| The only other option that I can think of is they they have wizards working at the train station who arrange for the trains to be delayed a day so that the Hogwarts Express can make it safely back. |
I can agree with this. It's very logical. I wonder if there was ever a muggle who thought something suspicious because every year, twice a year, the Hogwarts Express travels back and forth at a specific time. |
I wonder something similar...does anybody ever notice witches and wizards disolving into the wall? I mean with so many of them going to school, with their families in tow to say goodbye...how can they all get in on time without any of them being noticed?
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I always wondered that. I know that when they go on, they look around. Also, it's monitored when families are leaving the platform, but but just seems streange that they are never noticed.
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its almost like they'd have to do a world cup thing, where they trickle in days in advance to realistically not be seen. think of all those students, and then their families, with loaded luggage trolleys, and they only have the morning (I think) to get them all in unnoticed. looking around would only slow this down. but I think people would think it was a trick of the eye...but perhaps people who work there will start noticing that this happens on the same two days every year. what would happen if they tested the wall?
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I believe they look around in the books but in the first movie they just charged on in without looking to see if muggles were watching. Don't let the movies confuse you, they normally do checks. Also, Most of the time I remember reading something about them just leaning casually against the wall until they slipped through the barrier.
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| I believe they look around in the books but in the first movie they just charged on in without looking to see if muggles were watching. Don't let the movies confuse you, they normally do checks. Also, Most of the time I remember reading something about them just leaning casually against the wall until they slipped through the barrier. |
They always check in the movies. Then when they come back, they are sent through the wall in intervals by the people who are monitoring the wall.
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| I believe they look around in the books but in the first movie they just charged on in without looking to see if muggles were watching. Don't let the movies confuse you, they normally do checks. Also, Most of the time I remember reading something about them just leaning casually against the wall until they slipped through the barrier. |
They always check in the movies. Then when they come back, they are sent through the wall in intervals by the people who are monitoring the wall. |
I remember in the SS/PS movie they just ran through without looking.
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| I believe they look around in the books but in the first movie they just charged on in without looking to see if muggles were watching. Don't let the movies confuse you, they normally do checks. Also, Most of the time I remember reading something about them just leaning casually against the wall until they slipped through the barrier. |
They always check in the movies. Then when they come back, they are sent through the wall in intervals by the people who are monitoring the wall. |
I remember in the SS/PS movie they just ran through without looking. |
lol, I meant to say the books. I had movies on my mind . . .
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| ThE_DaRk_MaRk wrote: |
| I believe they look around in the books but in the first movie they just charged on in without looking to see if muggles were watching. Don't let the movies confuse you, they normally do checks. Also, Most of the time I remember reading something about them just leaning casually against the wall until they slipped through the barrier. |
They always check in the movies. Then when they come back, they are sent through the wall in intervals by the people who are monitoring the wall. |
I remember in the SS/PS movie they just ran through without looking. |
lol, I meant to say the books. I had movies on my mind . . . |
Oh, okay. 
Although, When I said they never looked and ran in I was referring to the movies, not books. I was implying that it's not to good to use the movies as a reference because they often mess everything up.
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lol, all right. Now we're both clear.
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There is a wizard guard mentioned in the earlier books...
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SS ch 17, pg 308 (US paperback)
It took quote a while for them all to get off the platform. A wizard old guard was up by the ticket barrier, letting them go through the gate in twos and threes so they didn't atract attention by all bursting out of a solid wall at once and alarming the muggles. |
He wasn't mentioned in the beginning of the book, though.
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| What i am really confused about is that, the train and the tracks are so unprotected. Everyone knows when the train leaves London. So why was harry not attacked while on the train. After all everyone knows which date rthe train leaves. there are usually no teacheers, only kids in the train. |
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| What i am really confused about is that, the train and the tracks are so unprotected. Everyone knows when the train leaves London. So why was harry not attacked while on the train. After all everyone knows which date rthe train leaves. there are usually no teacheers, only kids in the train. |
Attacke dby who... when? Voldemort? Harry was always escorted to the train by Ministry Officals or the Order.
And there are sometimes teachers there... we know Prof Lupin opted for the train in PoA.
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| What i am really confused about is that, the train and the tracks are so unprotected. Everyone knows when the train leaves London. So why was harry not attacked while on the train. After all everyone knows which date rthe train leaves. there are usually no teacheers, only kids in the train. |
Attacke dby who... when? Voldemort? Harry was always escorted to the train by Ministry Officals or the Order.
And there are sometimes teachers there... we know Prof Lupin opted for the train in PoA. |
But once on the train, he was basically alone. The dementors stopped the train once, why couldn't Voldy? Also Lupin opted for the train because he was poor. Almost all other teachers either stay at hogwart's or come by other means (like apparating to the gates of the school). |
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one thing that jumped into my mind in response to bellas question (i think it was bella) is that in the UK people are not as uptight about ghosts and the supernatural like here in the US. they embrace it. so i would think the muggles, if they saw something out of the corner of their lil muggle eye... they would write off to their mind playing tricks or a ghost.
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| What i am really confused about is that, the train and the tracks are so unprotected. Everyone knows when the train leaves London. So why was harry not attacked while on the train. After all everyone knows which date rthe train leaves. there are usually no teacheers, only kids in the train. |
Attacke dby who... when? Voldemort? Harry was always escorted to the train by Ministry Officals or the Order.
And there are sometimes teachers there... we know Prof Lupin opted for the train in PoA. |
But once on the train, he was basically alone. The dementors stopped the train once, why couldn't Voldy? Also Lupin opted for the train because he was poor. Almost all other teachers either stay at hogwart's or come by other means (like apparating to the gates of the school). |
But we don't know about whether or not they are supervised or monitered.
Besides, Voldemort and the DE's wanted to keep a low profile, until they were outed at the end of OotP. And even then, we know that Harry was being carefully watched and supervised by the Order.
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