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somdhpfan
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PostPosted: October 6, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Who Must Wormtail Murder? Reply with quote

In Chapter 1, "The Riddle House", Frank Bryce overhears LV and Wormtail discussing "one more" murder that LV needs Wormtail to commit. Wormtail is resisting. LV says at one point (quoting from the US version here),
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"...If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died. You will do it quietyly and without fuss; I only wish that I could do it myself, but in my present condition...Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us--"

Later in the same chapter, LV says
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"One more murder...my faithful servant at Hogwarts...Harry Potter is as good as mine, Wormtail. It is decided. There will be no more argument."


Then, in Chapter 29 - "The Dream", Harry has a "vision" while in Trewlaney's class where he sees LV and Wormtail again. He hears this:

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"You are in luck, Wormtail, " said a cold high-pitched voice from the depths of the chair in which the owl had landed. "You are very fortunate indeed. Your blunder has not ruined everything. He is dead."

"My Lord!" gasped the man on the floor. "My Lord, I am...I am so pleased. . . and so sorry. ..."


My question is this: Whom do you think LV and Wormtail were discussing murdering in Chapter 1? It's not Harry, because LV says one more death and the path to Harry Potter is clear.

Then, in Harry's dream, whom do you think it is that Wormtail has accidentally killed? It's not Bertha Jorkins. Is it Barty Crouch, Sr.?

It sounds to me like the two excerpts are referring to the different killings. Do you?
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jammi567
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PostPosted: October 6, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first quote might be something left from the original story, before she re-wrote a third of the book.

I think the other person their talking about is crouch sr.
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PostPosted: October 20, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Who Must Wormtail Murder? Reply with quote

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"...If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died. You will do it quietyly and without fuss; I only wish that I could do it myself, but in my present condition...Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us--"


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"One more murder...my faithful servant at Hogwarts...Harry Potter is as good as mine, Wormtail. It is decided. There will be no more argument."


The faithfull sevant is Crouch Jr. So he's not going to kill him... maybe he is already planning a way to get to Harry, so he could be talking about Sirius. Or maybe even Dumbledore...

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"You are in luck, Wormtail, " said a cold high-pitched voice from the depths of the chair in which the owl had landed. "You are very fortunate indeed. Your blunder has not ruined everything. He is dead."

"My Lord!" gasped the man on the floor. "My Lord, I am...I am so pleased. . . and so sorry. ..."

Wasn't this some future look, or something. I believe that this meant that Harry was dead. So it was some kind of strange what-if-visioen.

Wormtails bluder was the fact that he ran into Berta Jorkins, he was suppost to be dead and she worked at the MoM.
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PostPosted: October 20, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What i was suggesting was that crouch sr. escaped, didn't he, and he could've potentually spilt the beans. But the son killed daddy, and thus, the infomation didn't get out.
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PostPosted: October 20, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds very logical... nice theory!
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PostPosted: November 29, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammi567 wrote:
What i was suggesting was that crouch sr. escaped, didn't he, and he could've potentually spilt the beans. But the son killed daddy, and thus, the infomation didn't get out.


that is correct.
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PostPosted: April 8, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wormtail was supposed to gaurd Crouch senior while he was under the imperius curse, remember? His blunder was letting him escape. But it did not matter as his son killed him and the dark lord's plan did not fail.
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PostPosted: April 12, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something to think about.
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