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polaris1110
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 Posted: September 21, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: The Unforgiveable Curses |
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Or should I say "The only-unfogiveable-if-not-fighting-bad-wizard curses". I think this is a terrible tragedy. How can all of these "good" wizards use these spells without consequences yet the dark wizards who use them are made a mockery of. I just think there should be uniform code.
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Voldemort_Love
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| Posted: September 22, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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honestly... i dont think its tragic at all.. i mean.. it really does defeat the purpose of the book....
and wen umbridge tries 2 use it... GRRRR!
but sure.. when the other wizards use it... whats the harm in a little rebellion? minstry of magic sucks anyways
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GinnyX
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| Posted: September 22, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Because the "good" wizards use them in self-defense for the most part. The dark wizards use them for cruel purposes. The good wizards wouldn't have felt the need to resort to them if not for the dark wizards using them in the first place.
As Lupin said in DH,
""Harry, the time for disarming is past! These people are trying to capture and kill you! At least Stun if you aren't prepared to kill." (ch 5, pg 70; US ed.)
The spells are illegal for everyone, but it wasn't like the dark wizards were getting in trouble. That was because the ministry was being run by them. It had become kill or be killed. There wasn't even a sufficient prison to put the dark wizards into when they were captured.
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Simply Just
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| Posted: September 22, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Because the "good" wizards use them in self-defense for the most part. The dark wizards use them for cruel purposes. The good wizards wouldn't have felt the need to resort to them if not for the dark wizards using them in the first place.
As Lupin said in DH,
""Harry, the time for disarming is past! These people are trying to capture and kill you! At least Stun if you aren't prepared to kill." (ch 5, pg 70; US ed.)
The spells are illegal for everyone, but it wasn't like the dark wizards were getting in trouble. That was because the ministry was being run by them. It had become kill or be killed. There wasn't even a sufficient prison to put the dark wizards into when they were captured. |
Sounds like a gov't I know of...
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GinnyX
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Because the "good" wizards use them in self-defense for the most part. The dark wizards use them for cruel purposes. The good wizards wouldn't have felt the need to resort to them if not for the dark wizards using them in the first place.
As Lupin said in DH,
""Harry, the time for disarming is past! These people are trying to capture and kill you! At least Stun if you aren't prepared to kill." (ch 5, pg 70; US ed.)
The spells are illegal for everyone, but it wasn't like the dark wizards were getting in trouble. That was because the ministry was being run by them. It had become kill or be killed. There wasn't even a sufficient prison to put the dark wizards into when they were captured. |
Sounds like a gov't I know of... |
bahahaha.... oh my!
JKR did do a very good job of describing a corrupt government... when the people running your lives do not have your best interests in mind, then there is reason for fear and chaos ensues. You have to defend yourself because the people who are supposed to make sure you are safe are not people you can trust.
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Won-Won
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| Posted: September 25, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| GinnyX wrote: |
| Simply Just wrote: |
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Because the "good" wizards use them in self-defense for the most part. The dark wizards use them for cruel purposes. The good wizards wouldn't have felt the need to resort to them if not for the dark wizards using them in the first place.
As Lupin said in DH,
""Harry, the time for disarming is past! These people are trying to capture and kill you! At least Stun if you aren't prepared to kill." (ch 5, pg 70; US ed.)
The spells are illegal for everyone, but it wasn't like the dark wizards were getting in trouble. That was because the ministry was being run by them. It had become kill or be killed. There wasn't even a sufficient prison to put the dark wizards into when they were captured. |
Sounds like a gov't I know of... |
bahahaha.... oh my!
JKR did do a very good job of describing a corrupt government... when the people running your lives do not have your best interests in mind, then there is reason for fear and chaos ensues. You have to defend yourself because the people who are supposed to make sure you are safe are not people you can trust. |
If that was the case then whi did JKR donate £1m of her own money to PM Gordon Brown then lol  |
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GinnyX
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Because the "good" wizards use them in self-defense for the most part. The dark wizards use them for cruel purposes. The good wizards wouldn't have felt the need to resort to them if not for the dark wizards using them in the first place.
As Lupin said in DH,
""Harry, the time for disarming is past! These people are trying to capture and kill you! At least Stun if you aren't prepared to kill." (ch 5, pg 70; US ed.)
The spells are illegal for everyone, but it wasn't like the dark wizards were getting in trouble. That was because the ministry was being run by them. It had become kill or be killed. There wasn't even a sufficient prison to put the dark wizards into when they were captured. |
Sounds like a gov't I know of... |
bahahaha.... oh my!
JKR did do a very good job of describing a corrupt government... when the people running your lives do not have your best interests in mind, then there is reason for fear and chaos ensues. You have to defend yourself because the people who are supposed to make sure you are safe are not people you can trust. |
If that was the case then whi did JKR donate £1m of her own money to PM Gordon Brown then lol |
I'm not that familiar with Gordon Brown, sorry. All I really know for a fact is that he's England's prime minister who took over after Tony Blair left.
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Simply Just
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| Posted: September 25, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| GinnyX wrote: |
| Simply Just wrote: |
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Because the "good" wizards use them in self-defense for the most part. The dark wizards use them for cruel purposes. The good wizards wouldn't have felt the need to resort to them if not for the dark wizards using them in the first place.
As Lupin said in DH,
""Harry, the time for disarming is past! These people are trying to capture and kill you! At least Stun if you aren't prepared to kill." (ch 5, pg 70; US ed.)
The spells are illegal for everyone, but it wasn't like the dark wizards were getting in trouble. That was because the ministry was being run by them. It had become kill or be killed. There wasn't even a sufficient prison to put the dark wizards into when they were captured. |
Sounds like a gov't I know of... |
bahahaha.... oh my!
JKR did do a very good job of describing a corrupt government... when the people running your lives do not have your best interests in mind, then there is reason for fear and chaos ensues. You have to defend yourself because the people who are supposed to make sure you are safe are not people you can trust. |
V for Vendetta is amazing. 
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zengrenouille
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| Posted: September 26, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's illegal to shoot someone, but not in self-defense if the other person is equally armed. Surely if someone is aiming to kill you, then it must be legal to use an unforgivable curse.
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Arabella
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| Posted: September 26, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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^but there are other spells you could use, besides the illegal ones. this is something I struggle with in the books...but it is true that the good ones use them for good, but the spells are still ugly. I'm not sure how I feel about it.
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zengrenouille
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| Posted: September 26, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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^ In a split-second desicision, though, it is completely viable for a person to say the first spell that comes to mind. In a defensive situation, and unforgivable curse could very easily be that thing . . .
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sharingansaber
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agree. good wizards use it for self-defense. 
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Aryn
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My theory:
I believe that witch/wizards Like VOLDY uses these SUPER-MEGA-ULTRA Curses are called "MONKEYS"
hahahaha!
J O K E !
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Albus Severus Potter 2
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| i think that the MoM gave a permission to murder DEs to the workers of the Ministry without penalties |
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RavenclawPatronusCharm
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| Posted: November 15, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think it was okay when Harry imperioused Travers and that goblin, because he really did need them under his control to get to the Horcrux, and he wasn't going to make them do anything really horrible like the Death Eaters did to their victims. I do think Harry crutiating Amycus Carrow was too much, though, because a stunning spell would have had the same affect without being unforgivable. He used it like the Death Eaters used it, so I don't consider that okay. As for Molly Weasley using Avada Kedavra on Bellatrix, that's what Bella would have done to her, and what she tried to do to Ginny, so I think Molly was justified in using it. In general, I think it depends on how the curses are used if it's morally okay to use them or not.
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DrusillaDarling
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| Posted: November 24, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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i think that in a life or death glitch your not going to be thinking about if your doing something illegal or not. your just thinking that you need to get away and you need to do it now
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