seriously, what is with voldemort that there are people who are loyal to him? i mean, fine, those people who were jinxed and blackmailed to serve him, okay. but bellatrix is following him blindly. and if she does not do as is ordered, he punishes her (im assuming its the crucuiatus curse). so why would you like to stick around with a guy who orders you and tortures you? is bella in love with him or something? what about lucius? _________________
They follow him because they really believe he has the right idea. He wants to cleanse the Wizarding World of non-magic people. He is powerful and promises others the same.
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yeah, but its one thing to follow someone coz you believe he has the right idea. i believe that is the reason why regulus black joined the death eaters. it is also another thing to follow someone because you believe in him so much and you think its sorta like a "holy war," wherein you believe it is necessary to kill in order to achieve the state of perfect pureblood-ness ofwizarding society. i believe that is the reason why lucius malfoy is still a death eater. but it is quite another thing to love him so much in spite of his punishing you. thus i dont understand bellatrix. _________________
I think it's a matter of her beliefs. It's like how some people believe that pain will make you stronger. She thinks that even though Voldemort is punishing her, it will be worth it in the end when he "rewards her" for all that she's done for him. _________________
i wonder what the reward is - oh yeah, thet she will be called his most faithful servant, and that she will recieve his gratitude. big deal. if im gonna be tortured anyway for doing something wrong, id rather not stick to him, a slytherin though i may be, _________________
My belief is that people like Snape and Peter Pettigrew joined the Death Eaters because it offered the Dark Lord's protection and the fast track to success. Let's face it: how many of you would take an 18-week college course and get your degree rather than be in school for 4+ years and get the same results? Exactly. It offered the most profit for the least amount of work, thus leaving time to enjoy the finer things in life. By eradicating those not considered worthy in the eyes of the Dark Lord, it put those (like Snape and Peter) in the first position of power that they have ever had.
Lucius, on the other hand, already had the high community status, and he is incredibly wealthy. His reasoning for joining the Dark Lord is nothing more than following his beliefs that were probably conditioned by his family, i.e. reiterating what Ginnyx and halfbloodprincess said about Hitler and the like.
Now Bellatrix has obviously been knocked in the head a few times. She must be one of those people who like being punished for as much as she fails. _________________
well maybe... like maybe snape and pettigrew just wanted voldie's power and protection when they joined. they also wanted to purge the world of mudbloods and muggles. but they didnt know what they were getting into. they didnt know that they would be crucioed. they didnt know that it was alifetime of service or death. well, i guess i get it now. _________________
I think they believe in Voldermort's way but also they must be scared of him. They must think by being on his side they wont get hurt but they are oh so wrong!
And yeah, if they put up with it they get 'rewarded'.
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i know. or maybe its like being part of the elite organization so they put up with the pain and the stress... well, in that case, id rather be with dumbledore. its also like being part of the elite organization order of the phoenix. but then again, would he really recruit me? _________________
I would have to agree with the people that stated that they follow after the people that they fear, but without him they fall apart. The same thing hapens in Lord of the Rings. After Saron dies, all the orcs flee from the good side.
Like in Eldest, a wize elf says," No one believes himself a villian."
None of them think that what they do is bad, but I'm sure that if they have a concience it is killing them, they just keep telling themselves that what their doing is right and Voldermort is the one to lead them to that end.
I'm sure that some of the Death Eaters are raicist enough to believe it's right.
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that's actually where i got the idea, when oromis, the wise elf, says that "nobody thinks of himelf as a villain". so just like galbatroix doesnt think he is a villain, maybe neither does voldemort think so. after all, in his philosophy, there is no good or evil... only power, and those too weak to seek it.
there you go. he doesnt see himself as evil. neither, i presume, does he think of himself as holy. he only believes that he is a rational man who is willing to go through all extents to amass power, even if it means murdering people. _________________
I agree that he doesn't view himself as evil; in the eyes of the Dark Lord, he thinks that he is right and Dumbledore is wrong. It all comes back to elementary conditioning.
His views are simply "you're either for me, or against me". There is no middle ground. The notion of punishment upon wrongdoing is nothing more than a cause and effect scenario: one is chastised for not following the rules, except in his case it's a more severe route. His reason for doing so is because he expects 100% from all of his followers, not below average work. He prides himself on being number one, and those that wish to follow are encouraged to strive for perfection as well. Anything less is considered failure and not up to standards.
While Dumbledore doesn't physically punish people for their failures, that is just not in his nature. He accepts mediocre work, and thus gets mediocre results. I will not deny that Dumbledore is powerful, but if he were more strict with his fellows like the Dark Lord is, then he will attain much greater results. But then again...Dumbledore has admitted to being a foolish old man who makes old man mistakes.
well for voldemort its really all about your work and devotion to him. everything centers around him
but for dumbledore, its not loyalty to him that he really needs. its more like a good heart, principles, values, etc. he accepts mediocre work, because he believes that it is not the work that matters most but the unity in belief. and because of his kindness, he has the ability to retain the loyalties of people. voldie knows how to attract, but not to maintain his death eaters loylaties. how many would be willing to die for dumbledore? how many for voldemort (just bella, i guess). and he believes that even if people like hagrid have mediocre minds, they will fight to the end for dumbledore and taht is why dd can trust him with their lives. _________________
seriously, what is with voldemort that there are people who are loyal to him? i mean, fine, those people who were jinxed and blackmailed to serve him, okay. but bellatrix is following him blindly. and if she does not do as is ordered, he punishes her (im assuming its the crucuiatus curse). so why would you like to stick around with a guy who orders you and tortures you? is bella in love with him or something? what about lucius?
yeah,well i've thought about that myself.But,actually,not all Deatheaters are like that.for example the Malfoys,Snape and most of the others seem to be concerned about themselves rather than about Voldy.he has the same ideas like them,his is far more powerful than they could ever dream to be and deciding to be dark but independent would be the most stupid decision they would ever make as well as the last one.why not stick with him and get what they want?AND yes,i'm almost sure Bella is subconsciously head over heels with Voldy
yeah... voldemort demands loyalty. but you dont deamnd loyalty. you earn it. dumbledore never demanded dobby to be loyal to him. he even said that dobby can call him a barmy old codger. but dobby doesnt want. see? its because he is loyal.
but many death eaters are not loyal to voldemort. they abandoned him when he needed them most. they were only around to share with his power, and because they were unitd by a common belief. voldemort gone, who cares, as long as i remain powerful in wizard society. that is their belief. loyalty is not the slytherin creed. ambition is. _________________
yeah... voldemort demands loyalty. but you dont deamnd loyalty. you earn it. dumbledore never demanded dobby to be loyal to him. he even said that dobby can call him a barmy old codger. but dobby doesnt want. see? its because he is loyal.
but many death eaters are not loyal to voldemort. they abandoned him when he needed them most. they were only around to share with his power, and because they were unitd by a common belief. voldemort gone, who cares, as long as i remain powerful in wizard society. that is their belief. loyalty is not the slytherin creed. ambition is. _________________
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