There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
2) Who blasted Andromeda of the wall...
I actually have no idea, I was originally thinking Narcissa but I changed my mind-I guess it was Bellatrix then.
3) Why didn't Bella have kids?
She would have had plenty of time before she went to Azakaban (esp. if she was married before Andy). If she was expected to marry a pure blood (which is the task she fullifield) why wouldn't she have been expected to produce a heir.
4) How is it that she is able to duel (assumily with a wand) in the 7th book?
Heremione took her wand-she couldn't have had Ollivander make one because he was free by then.
5)Why is there only 2 female Death Eaters?
Me and my sisters have decided that Voldermort was sexist-if he was however, then why Bellatrix and Carrow, what could a women give him (power-wise) that a man could not.
6) This is a hard one-Does Bellatrix truly and really, really love him--or does she really hate him (as my sisters belive)?
Also to throw to other belifs that my sisters and me belive and were wondering if other people agree--
*Bellatrix could not kill her sisters.
*Andromeda could forgive Bellatrix.
*Andromeda could kill Bellatrix.
If you want further Info concerning those 3 statments we would be happy to oblige...
There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
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2) Who blasted Andromeda of the wall...
I actually have no idea, I was originally thinking Narcissa but I changed my mind-I guess it was Bellatrix then.
I would assume their aunt did that... in fact, I think Siruis says she did... *wishes she had her book with her* It shouldbe in OotP, the part where they are cleaning Grimmauld Place and stop for sandwiches... Sirius explains the tree tapestry to Harry.
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3) Why didn't Bella have kids?
She would have had plenty of time before she went to Azakaban (esp. if she was married before Andy). If she was expected to marry a pure blood (which is the task she fullifield) why wouldn't she have been expected to produce a heir.
JKR actually answered this when someone asked her if Bella had any kids. JKR said that she wasn't really the maternal sort and it was more of a marriage of convenience, anyway.
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4) How is it that she is able to duel (assumily with a wand) in the 7th book?
Heremione took her wand-she couldn't have had Ollivander make one because he was free by then.
She could have obtained one easily... dueling with someone else'swand isn'timpossib;e, just sometimes difficult. For all we know she was able to get her mother's or something.
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5)Why is there only 2 female Death Eaters?
Me and my sisters have decided that Voldermort was sexist-if he was however, then why Bellatrix and Carrow, what could a women give him (power-wise) that a man could not.
Only two that we definitely know of... there could have been more.I doubt Voldemort would be too picky. Especially since he trusted one of those woman so much.
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6) This is a hard one-Does Bellatrix truly and really, really love him--or does she really hate him (as my sisters belive)?
Him who? Rodolphus? No. Voldemort... obsessed maybe.. infatuated? Most likely. But love...such a strong word, i dunno.
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Also to throw to other belifs that my sisters and me belive and were wondering if other people agree--
*Bellatrix could not kill her sisters.
*Andromeda could forgive Bellatrix.
*Andromeda could kill Bellatrix.
I think Bella could have killed Andromeda... she killed her neice, why not her sister?
I don't think Andromeda would have forgiven her for killing her daughter.
And yes, I also think that Andromeda would have killed Bellatrix if she had to. Bellatrix was quite evil and wouldhave killed those Andromeda loved... and succeeded. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
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I actually have no idea, I was originally thinking Narcissa but I changed my mind-I guess it was Bellatrix then.
How would Bellatrix or Narcissa blast Andromeda off the tapestry in their cousins' house? It was Sirius's mum (their aunt) who did that.
Some of the other questions are being discussed elsewhere, I believe. _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
Surely they were. At least I'm certain that Bellatrix and Narcissa were. They had pet names. You don't give pet names to people you hate. I alsways pictured Andromeda as being close to them as well . . . I don't know why. Maybe she wasn't, though. Perhaps that was why it was easy for her to cut off her family connections.
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2) Who blasted Andromeda of the wall...
I actually have no idea, I was originally thinking Narcissa but I changed my mind-I guess it was Bellatrix then.
I would assume their aunt did that... in fact, I think Siruis says she did... *wishes she had her book with her* It shouldbe in OotP, the part where they are cleaning Grimmauld Place and stop for sandwiches... Sirius explains the tree tapestry to Harry.
Luckily, I do have my book. It's on page 113 of the American verion of OotP. It doesn't say who blasted her off. He just says that she married a muggle and then makes the motion of some one pointing a wand and blasting her off. I think that it's safe to assume that it was Sirius's mother, though. She was the matriarch of the family, right?
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3) Why didn't Bella have kids?
She would have had plenty of time before she went to Azakaban (esp. if she was married before Andy). If she was expected to marry a pure blood (which is the task she fullifield) why wouldn't she have been expected to produce a heir.
JKR actually answered this when someone asked her if Bella had any kids. JKR said that she wasn't really the maternal sort and it was more of a marriage of convenience, anyway.
Also, I don't think that Bella really wanted children. She was a warrior. I couldn't imagine her having the idea of tending to children in her mind. Even if her husband wanted kids, she probably made sure that she never got pregnant.
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5)Why is there only 2 female Death Eaters?
Me and my sisters have decided that Voldermort was sexist-if he was however, then why Bellatrix and Carrow, what could a women give him (power-wise) that a man could not.
Only two that we definitely know of... there could have been more.I doubt Voldemort would be too picky. Especially since he trusted one of those woman so much.
First of all, Voldemort trusted no one, so he wasn't just sexist. He was completely anti-social. Also, I think that a lot of DEs refused to allow their wives to join. That is just speculation, but the DEs were very controlling. They had children, and I would assume that they would want their wives to worry about the kids.
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6) This is a hard one-Does Bellatrix truly and really, really love him--or does she really hate him (as my sisters belive)?
Him who? Rodolphus? No. Voldemort... obsessed maybe.. infatuated? Most likely. But love...such a strong word, i dunno.
You can't have love or compassion to be a DE. It's just not possible to carry out the required deeds. This is another reason why I don't think that a lot of women were DEs. Most of the female candidates had kids, and having kids makes most people look at the worl differently.
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Also to throw to other belifs that my sisters and me belive and were wondering if other people agree--
*Bellatrix could not kill her sisters.
*Andromeda could forgive Bellatrix.
*Andromeda could kill Bellatrix.
I think Bella could have killed Andromeda... she killed her neice, why not her sister?
I don't think Andromeda would have forgiven her for killing her daughter.
And yes, I also think that Andromeda would have killed Bellatrix if she had to. Bellatrix was quite evil and wouldhave killed those Andromeda loved... and succeeded.
I completely agree with Ginny here. _________________
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There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
Surely they were. At least I'm certain that Bellatrix and Narcissa were. They had pet names. You don't give pet names to people you hate. I alsways pictured Andromeda as being close to them as well . . . I don't know why. Maybe she wasn't, though. Perhaps that was why it was easy for her to cut off her family connections.
I always figured Andromeda was close with her sisters as siblings but there views changed when growing up. (Something like Lily and Petunia.) I suppose Andromeda seen how cocky it was to think anyone of pureblood decent was better then anyone else, especially since she might have had friend who weren't purebloods. If she could marry a muggle born I assume she had non-pureblood friends.
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2) Who blasted Andromeda of the wall...
I actually have no idea, I was originally thinking Narcissa but I changed my mind-I guess it was Bellatrix then.
I would assume their aunt did that... in fact, I think Siruis says she did... *wishes she had her book with her* It shouldbe in OotP, the part where they are cleaning Grimmauld Place and stop for sandwiches... Sirius explains the tree tapestry to Harry.
Luckily, I do have my book. It's on page 113 of the American version of OotP. It doesn't say who blasted her off. He just says that she married a muggle and then makes the motion of some one pointing a wand and blasting her off. I think that it's safe to assume that it was Sirius's mother, though. She was the matriarch of the family, right?
Of course it was Mrs.Black. It was her tapestry after all. Anyone she seen as a traitor to the family was removed by her.
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3) Why didn't Bella have kids?
She would have had plenty of time before she went to Azakaban (esp. if she was married before Andy). If she was expected to marry a pure blood (which is the task she fullifield) why wouldn't she have been expected to produce a heir.
JKR actually answered this when someone asked her if Bella had any kids. JKR said that she wasn't really the maternal sort and it was more of a marriage of convenience, anyway.
Also, I don't think that Bella really wanted children. She was a warrior. I couldn't imagine her having the idea of tending to children in her mind. Even if her husband wanted kids, she probably made sure that she never got pregnant.
I agree with Zen. She was to much of a fighter to even consider children. the marriage was there to make her and her family to look good. Also, I believe her to be to cold hearted to have a son or daughter, unlike her sister who betray Voldemort for her sons sake. Bella would choose Voldemort over anyone, anyday. She even says it when Narcissa is venturing forth to Snapes house for his aid.
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5)Why is there only 2 female Death Eaters?
Me and my sisters have decided that Voldermort was sexist-if he was however, then why Bellatrix and Carrow, what could a women give him (power-wise) that a man could not.
Only two that we definitely know of... there could have been more.I doubt Voldemort would be too picky. Especially since he trusted one of those woman so much.
First of all, Voldemort trusted no one, so he wasn't just sexist. He was completely anti-social. Also, I think that a lot of DEs refused to allow their wives to join. That is just speculation, but the DEs were very controlling. They had children, and I would assume that they would want their wives to worry about the kids.
Good point, I would also like to add that Bella was a faithful Death Eater to voldemort and when she had died he was very, very angered.
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6) This is a hard one-Does Bellatrix truly and really, really love him--or does she really hate him (as my sisters belive)?
Him who? Rodolphus? No. Voldemort... obsessed maybe.. infatuated? Most likely. But love...such a strong word, i dunno.
You can't have love or compassion to be a DE. It's just not possible to carry out the required deeds. This is another reason why I don't think that a lot of women were DEs. Most of the female candidates had kids, and having kids makes most people look at the worl differently.
It's possible she could have loved him. It could have been hidden but it was still there. If it wasn't love then it was obsession.
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Also to throw to other belifs that my sisters and me belive and were wondering if other people agree--
*Bellatrix could not kill her sisters.
*Andromeda could forgive Bellatrix.
*Andromeda could kill Bellatrix.
I think Bella could have killed Andromeda... she killed her neice, why not her sister?
I don't think Andromeda would have forgiven her for killing her daughter.
And yes, I also think that Andromeda would have killed Bellatrix if she had to. Bellatrix was quite evil and wouldhave killed those Andromeda loved... and succeeded.
I completely agree with Ginny here.
I too agree with GinnyX. _________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through Strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
Surely they were. At least I'm certain that Bellatrix and Narcissa were. They had pet names. You don't give pet names to people you hate. I alsways pictured Andromeda as being close to them as well . . . I don't know why. Maybe she wasn't, though. Perhaps that was why it was easy for her to cut off her family connections.
I always figured Andromeda was close with her sisters as siblings but there views changed when growing up. (Something like Lily and Petunia.) I suppose Andromeda seen how cocky it was to think anyone of pureblood decent was better then anyone else, especially since she might have had friend who weren't purebloods. If she could marry a muggle born I assume she had non-pureblood friends.
That was pretty much what I was thinking... that they might have all been close when they were young, then Andromeda broke off at some point, somewhat like Lily and Petunia.
I wonder.... wouldn't it be romantic if Andromeda was all for the purebloods and DE stuff.... then fell in love with Ted? I think my imagination is in overdrive tonight, lol. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
on pg 759 paragraph 2
it says that andromeda was formerly a death eater who fell in love and was forced to run away from her wicked sisters. it says about half way down paragraph 4 that andromeda blasted herself off of the wall. _________________
There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
on pg 759 paragraph 2
it says that andromeda was formerly a death eater who fell in love and was forced to run away from her wicked sisters. it says about half way down paragraph 4 that andromeda blasted herself off of the wall.
No it doesn't... _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
it says that andromeda was formerly a death eater who fell in love and was forced to run away from her wicked sisters. it says about half way down paragraph 4 that andromeda blasted herself off of the wall.
lol, you almost caught me in a nOOb moment! For a split second I was asking myelf how I could have ever forgotten a big detail like that. Luckily it dawned on me before I had the chance to question my sanity. _________________
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There's so many elements to this anyone could begin anywhere...
Some of the things I wonder and have tried to think up the best answers I could to...
1) Where the Black Sisters close as kids...
My guess would have to be Yes, I mean it's like Yin and Yang all three of them are diffrent from each other and Bellatrix is estabilished in as the eldest (hence her control issues).
I would like to think so. I reallythink Bellatrix and narcissa were... and I hope Andromeda was close with them, as well. We really don't know much about her exceptthat she married a muggle-born.But we don't know much more about that.
on pg 759 paragraph 2
it says that andromeda was formerly a death eater who fell in love and was forced to run away from her wicked sisters. it says about half way down paragraph 4 that andromeda blasted herself off of the wall.
No it doesn't...
She got the page number wrong... it's page 758, in the US hardcover edition. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
Wow, this is pretty cool--you guys actaully are interested in what I have to say I'm absoulutly amazed. I really enjoyed readig what you had to say.
Now to try and explain me and my sisters thinking when it comes to the the three statments at the beginning. (By the way I should mention that there are 3 of us--I'm the eldest. All of love the BS so we actually decided who was more like whom...for some strange reason i'm Narcissa [Best not to ask] even though I'm the eldest and this is often enough how we think this stuff out. Sorta like 'What Would Jesus Do') Anyway moving on...
The Bellatrix not killing Andromeda think....
We don't think she would. (By the way I'm not saying this becasue I would not kill my sisters becasue I would their very annoying--belive me!)
Bella was the eldest, she was well aware and well set in the ways of the eldest. The eldest protects her younger sisters (brothers-if we must). Sinece there is never a scene between Andromeda and Bellatrix we can't look that what we can look at is Bellatrix and Narcissa Chapter 2: HP Half Blood Prince.
The first figure, Narcissa, runs off and is pursued by the second, Bellatrix (or Bella). Bella desperately implores Narcissa to stop. When Bella finally catches hold of Narcissa’s cloak, she begs her not to betray Voldemort. Narcissa draws her wand, and Bella expresses shock that Narcissa would threaten her own sister.
-SparkNotes.com
Bella knows very well what happens to people who betray the Dark Lord. This dosn't mention it but Bellatrix does mention several times during the chapter that Narcissa IS NOT SUPPOSED TO tell ANYONE.
PART 2
That's how close I think that Black Sister were and (using Spark Notes again [man i love that site])...
In Romeo and Juliet the families kill each other cousins, close friends, children and other people of importence. In the end when they see their stupidity they forgive each other. I urge you I belive it is possible.
http://nfs.sparknotes.com/romeojuliet/page_284.epl
Well hoping we haven't offended any one let's keep the converstaion going... and i'll look foward to reading your reply on this.
She got the page number wrong... it's page 758, in the US hardcover edition.
Ginny! You should be ashamed of yourself!
I couldn't resist. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
She got the page number wrong... it's page 758, in the US hardcover edition.
Ginny! You should be ashamed of yourself!
I couldn't resist.
You're a moderator now. You need to protect the nOObs from these traps of horror!
haha, ravvy is always saying how she is "helping" the n00bs and I'm saving them from her, lol. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
^lol, Ravvy is certainly something else. We better get baclk on topic.
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Wow, this is pretty cool--you guys actaully are interested in what I have to say I'm absoulutly amazed. I really enjoyed readig what you had to say.
Of course we're interested!
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The Bellatrix not killing Andromeda think....
We don't think she would. (By the way I'm not saying this becasue I would not kill my sisters becasue I would their very annoying--belive me!)
I'm going to believe that you didn't mean that and were just too much into your Bellatrix character role.
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Bella was the eldest, she was well aware and well set in the ways of the eldest. The eldest protects her younger sisters (brothers-if we must). Sinece there is never a scene between Andromeda and Bellatrix we can't look that what we can look at is Bellatrix and Narcissa Chapter 2: HP Half Blood Prince.
The first figure, Narcissa, runs off and is pursued by the second, Bellatrix (or Bella). Bella desperately implores Narcissa to stop. When Bella finally catches hold of Narcissa’s cloak, she begs her not to betray Voldemort. Narcissa draws her wand, and Bella expresses shock that Narcissa would threaten her own sister.
-SparkNotes.com
Bella knows very well what happens to people who betray the Dark Lord. This dosn't mention it but Bellatrix does mention several times during the chapter that Narcissa IS NOT SUPPOSED TO tell ANYONE.
I don't understand what your asking. Perhaps the fact that she would threaten her own sister was a hint into her true character -- a person who would resort to killing her own sister if she needed to.
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PART 2
That's how close I think that Black Sister were and (using Spark Notes again [man i love that site])...
In Romeo and Juliet the families kill each other cousins, close friends, children and other people of importence. In the end when they see their stupidity they forgive each other. I urge you I belive it is possible.
http://nfs.sparknotes.com/romeojuliet/page_284.epl
Well hoping we haven't offended any one let's keep the converstaion going... and i'll look foward to reading your reply on this.
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I don't understand how Romeo and Juliet have anything to do with the Black sisters. In Romeo and Juliet, the Capulets and the Montagues were killing each other. The killing wasn't being done within the families. Also, they weren't warriors for a dark wizard who wanted world domination. _________________
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