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PostPosted: May 6, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: various contradictions Reply with quote

Having recently reread the series, I came across a few apparent contradictions to which I have been unable to find a plausible explanation:

1. In chapter 19 of OotP, Harry, Fred and George's broomsticks are confiscated and locked in Umbridges office ("I will want their broomsticks confiscated, of course; I shall keep them safely in my office, to make sure there is no infringement of my ban.").

In chapter 26, after the publication of the Quibbler interview, Umbridge punishes Harry with another week's worth of detentions.

A long time later ("A couple of weeks after his dream of Rookwood, Harry was to be found, yet again, kneeling on the floor of Snape's office, trying to clear his head..." -- the dream of Rookwood was the night after Umbridge informed him of the week of detentions -- then "The happiness Harry had felt in the aftermath of The Quibbler interview had long since evaporated. As a dull March blurred into a squally April..."), definitely quite a while after Harry had served his latest detentions with the brooms already being in her office, Harry enters the office (in chapter 28 ) to contact Sirius. There he observes:

"Umbridge's office, so very familiar to Harry from his many detentions, was the same as usual except for the large wooden block lying across the front of her desk on which golden letters spelled the word: HEADMISTRESS. Also, his Firebolt and Fred and George's Cleansweeps, which he saw with a pang, were chained and padlocked to a stout iron peg in the wall behind the desk."

But Harry should have already been here and seen the broomsticks, and yet the book describes it as though it is the first time he is seeing the broomsticks chained up, having not seen them there during "his many detentions"!

2. In chapter 7 of HBP, while Harry is hiding and waiting for Malfoy and the other Slytherins to leave the compartment:

"Harry could see the corridors filling up again and hoped that Hermione and Ron would take his things out onto the platform for him."

Had Harry forgotten that the things are always left on the train and taken to the school seperately?

3. In chapter 8, while walking with Tonks to Hogwarts:

"Having always traveled there by carriage, Harry had never before appreciated just how far Hogwarts was from Hogsmeade Station."

Actually, every Hogsmeade weekend Harry walks to Hogsmeade. And even if it's at the far side of the village (which it probably isn't, since the book doesn't mention them walking through the village, just "the lane that led to the school",) in any case it wouldn't be the first time that Harry is walking so far, since he had been at the far side (while visiting the Shrieking Shack) and beyond (while visiting Sirius in the cave).

4. In chapter 23, Dumbledore says:

"After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux."

Voldemort killed Frank Bryce with Avada Kedavra, not with Nagini.

5. In chapter 2 of DH:

"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic... but he had to admit to himself that this jagged cut in his finger would have defeated him. He had never learned how to repair wounds, and now he came to think of it – particularly in light of his immediate plans – it seemed a serious flaw in his magical education."

But he had indeed learned how to repair wounds. In chapter 8 of HBP Tonks repairs his nose with the "Episkey" charm, and he later used the same charm himself (having apparently mastered it) in chapter 14:

"I can fix that," said Harry, landing beside the two girls, pointing his wand at Demelza's mouth, and saying "Episkey.""

6. In QTTA chapter 1:

"No spell yet devised enables wizards to fly unaided in human form."

Well, we now know that Voldemort and Snape could fly (but I suppose it's possible - probable, actually - that Whisp just didn't know that, but still, given that Dumbledore wrote a special foreward for the Muggle edition, and he surely knew that Snape could fly - not to mention that he probably could fly himself - you would think that he would've corrected Whisp on this mistake. Then again, maybe flying is - for some odd, inexplicable reason - considered dark magic, so then DD wouldn't want to mention it. OK, whatever, I'm just rambling...)

Well, that's it for today. Any ideas? (I am somewhat relying on GinnyX to magically produce satisfying clarifications...)
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PostPosted: May 6, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: various contradictions Reply with quote

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Having recently reread the series, I came across a few apparent contradictions to which I have been unable to find a plausible explanation:

1. In chapter 19 of OotP, Harry, Fred and George's broomsticks are confiscated and locked in Umbridges office ("I will want their broomsticks confiscated, of course; I shall keep them safely in my office, to make sure there is no infringement of my ban.").

In chapter 26, after the publication of the Quibbler interview, Umbridge punishes Harry with another week's worth of detentions.

A long time later ("A couple of weeks after his dream of Rookwood, Harry was to be found, yet again, kneeling on the floor of Snape's office, trying to clear his head..." -- the dream of Rookwood was the night after Umbridge informed him of the week of detentions -- then "The happiness Harry had felt in the aftermath of The Quibbler interview had long since evaporated. As a dull March blurred into a squally April..."), definitely quite a while after Harry had served his latest detentions with the brooms already being in her office, Harry enters the office (in chapter 28 ) to contact Sirius. There he observes:

"Umbridge's office, so very familiar to Harry from his many detentions, was the same as usual except for the large wooden block lying across the front of her desk on which golden letters spelled the word: HEADMISTRESS. Also, his Firebolt and Fred and George's Cleansweeps, which he saw with a pang, were chained and padlocked to a stout iron peg in the wall behind the desk."

But Harry should have already been here and seen the broomsticks, and yet the book describes it as though it is the first time he is seeing the broomsticks chained up, having not seen them there during "his many detentions"!


well he would always get that 'prang' seeing them again, whether it be his first, fouth or even 50th time seeing them


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2. In chapter 7 of HBP, while Harry is hiding and waiting for Malfoy and the other Slytherins to leave the compartment:

"Harry could see the corridors filling up again and hoped that Hermione and Ron would take his things out onto the platform for him."

Had Harry forgotten that the things are always left on the train and taken to the school seperately?


i thought that was only first years, for over the lake
but after that they took them themselves onto the carriages and dropped them in the hall
i dont remember too well

:S

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3. In chapter 8, while walking with Tonks to Hogwarts:

"Having always traveled there by carriage, Harry had never before appreciated just how far Hogwarts was from Hogsmeade Station."

Actually, every Hogsmeade weekend Harry walks to Hogsmeade. And even if it's at the far side of the village (which it probably isn't, since the book doesn't mention them walking through the village, just "the lane that led to the school",) in any case it wouldn't be the first time that Harry is walking so far, since he had been at the far side (while visiting the Shrieking Shack) and beyond (while visiting Sirius in the cave).


i think this may have been put in, to show the depressive mood between him and tonks at that point, she was still heart broken, and he may have been focusing on the walk to forget how awkward things felt
when we walks to hogsmeade hes talking, laughing and joking with his friends, ever noticed that happen in real life

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4. In chapter 23, Dumbledore says:

"After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux."

Voldemort killed Frank Bryce with Avada Kedavra, not with Nagini.

we know that, but does DD?
harry never told him about the dream with frank, i dont think
and with Nagini eating charity in DH i think its safe to assume she also ate frank, thus leading DD to assume that Nagini had ate him

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5. In chapter 2 of DH:

"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic... but he had to admit to himself that this jagged cut in his finger would have defeated him. He had never learned how to repair wounds, and now he came to think of it – particularly in light of his immediate plans – it seemed a serious flaw in his magical education."

But he had indeed learned how to repair wounds. In chapter 8 of HBP Tonks repairs his nose with the "Episkey" charm, and he later used the same charm himself (having apparently mastered it) in chapter 14:

"I can fix that," said Harry, landing beside the two girls, pointing his wand at Demelza's mouth, and saying "Episkey.""


this one is tricky, but i think its pointing out that he never did offically learn it at hogwarts
it is still a serious flaw, he learnt no other healing spelling


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Well, that's it for today. Any ideas? (I am somewhat relying on GinnyX to magically produce satisfying clarifications...)



im not quite Ginny but i hope i helped at least a little
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PostPosted: May 6, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: various contradictions Reply with quote

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Having recently reread the series, I came across a few apparent contradictions to which I have been unable to find a plausible explanation:

1. In chapter 19 of OotP, Harry, Fred and George's broomsticks are confiscated and locked in Umbridges office ("I will want their broomsticks confiscated, of course; I shall keep them safely in my office, to make sure there is no infringement of my ban.").

In chapter 26, after the publication of the Quibbler interview, Umbridge punishes Harry with another week's worth of detentions.

A long time later ("A couple of weeks after his dream of Rookwood, Harry was to be found, yet again, kneeling on the floor of Snape's office, trying to clear his head..." -- the dream of Rookwood was the night after Umbridge informed him of the week of detentions -- then "The happiness Harry had felt in the aftermath of The Quibbler interview had long since evaporated. As a dull March blurred into a squally April..."), definitely quite a while after Harry had served his latest detentions with the brooms already being in her office, Harry enters the office (in chapter 28 ) to contact Sirius. There he observes:

"Umbridge's office, so very familiar to Harry from his many detentions, was the same as usual except for the large wooden block lying across the front of her desk on which golden letters spelled the word: HEADMISTRESS. Also, his Firebolt and Fred and George's Cleansweeps, which he saw with a pang, were chained and padlocked to a stout iron peg in the wall behind the desk."

But Harry should have already been here and seen the broomsticks, and yet the book describes it as though it is the first time he is seeing the broomsticks chained up, having not seen them there during "his many detentions"!


The thing that was new was the sign that said Headmistress.

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2. In chapter 7 of HBP, while Harry is hiding and waiting for Malfoy and the other Slytherins to leave the compartment:

"Harry could see the corridors filling up again and hoped that Hermione and Ron would take his things out onto the platform for him."

Had Harry forgotten that the things are always left on the train and taken to the school seperately?


Confused No they aren't... In OotP they load their trunks up onto the carriages in the rain.

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3. In chapter 8, while walking with Tonks to Hogwarts:

"Having always traveled there by carriage, Harry had never before appreciated just how far Hogwarts was from Hogsmeade Station."

Actually, every Hogsmeade weekend Harry walks to Hogsmeade. And even if it's at the far side of the village (which it probably isn't, since the book doesn't mention them walking through the village, just "the lane that led to the school",) in any case it wouldn't be the first time that Harry is walking so far, since he had been at the far side (while visiting the Shrieking Shack) and beyond (while visiting Sirius in the cave).


He never walk there after a long day on the train in the evening like that.

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4. In chapter 23, Dumbledore says:

"After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux."

Voldemort killed Frank Bryce with Avada Kedavra, not with Nagini.


Was DD talking about Frank Bryce? There was an Albanian peasant that was murdered, too, plus I'm sure plenty more. Also, he did sort-of use Nagini to kill Frank, as Nagini was the one keeping guard.

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5. In chapter 2 of DH:

"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic... but he had to admit to himself that this jagged cut in his finger would have defeated him. He had never learned how to repair wounds, and now he came to think of it – particularly in light of his immediate plans – it seemed a serious flaw in his magical education."

But he had indeed learned how to repair wounds. In chapter 8 of HBP Tonks repairs his nose with the "Episkey" charm, and he later used the same charm himself (having apparently mastered it) in chapter 14:

"I can fix that," said Harry, landing beside the two girls, pointing his wand at Demelza's mouth, and saying "Episkey.""


Well, that's it for today. Any ideas? (I am somewhat relying on GinnyX to magically produce satisfying clarifications...)


Like with memory charms, there could be different types of healing charms, depending on the injury.
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PostPosted: May 6, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing that was new was the sign that said Headmistress.


Perhaps, but from the wording, it seems that both are new to him. Could be also, as shewhoshouldnotbenamed said, that he just got another pang, but if so it's not written properly.

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No they aren't... In OotP they load their trunks up onto the carriages in the rain.


Yeah, you're right. I got confused with PS.

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He never walk there after a long day on the train in the evening like that.


The books says "Having always traveled there by carriage, Harry had never before appreciated just how far Hogwarts was from Hogsmeade Station." i.e. it has nothing to do with the train, just the fact that he was used to the carriage.

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Was DD talking about Frank Bryce? There was an Albanian peasant that was murdered, too, plus I'm sure plenty more. Also, he did sort-of use Nagini to kill Frank, as Nagini was the one keeping guard.


The Albanian peasent was murdered much earlier, when Voldemort made the Diadem into a Horcrux. Frank Bryce's murder was used to make Nagini a Horcrux, and he killed him with Avada Kedavra.

And shewhoshouldnotbenamed - Harry told Sirius about the dream, and he told DD.

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Like with memory charms, there could be different types of healing charms, depending on the injury.


I think a charm used to fix a broken nose and mouth would have worked fine on a small cut... And it says that he hadn't learned to "repair wounds" in general.
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PostPosted: May 6, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps, but from the wording, it seems that both are new to him. Could be also, as shewhoshouldnotbenamed said, that he just got another pang, but if so it's not written properly.

The wording is off... there probably should have been a new paragraph or something. I noticed JKRdoes that sometimes... has a thought, goes to something else, then comes back to it in the same paragraph. She did that in Dh's... but we'll save thatfor another time, lol.



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Yeah, you're right. I got confused with PS.

No problem, dude, it happens.
Hell, they all get off the train in their muggle clothes in the OotP movie... an entire movie forgot that they alwasy get off teh train in their uniforms. Now, that's nutso.



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The books says "Having always traveled there by carriage, Harry had never before appreciated just how far Hogwarts was from Hogsmeade Station." i.e. it has nothing to do with the train, just the fact that he was used to the carriage.

I think he meant that specific trip, from the train station to the school. Sure, he may have walked back and forth to and from Hogsmeade... but not thattrip from teh train station to the school. I think she meant specififcally that sort of walk. And as Shewho said, he usually makes the walk chattin with his friends or freezing his butt off in the cold (HBP). But that somber walk with Tonks from the station to Hogwarts has never been done before.



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The Albanian peasent was murdered much earlier, when Voldemort made the Diadem into a Horcrux. Frank Bryce's murder was used to make Nagini a Horcrux, and he killed him with Avada Kedavra.

According to the Bloomsbury Chat...
Lady Bella: Whose murders did voldemor use to create each of the horcruxes

J.K. Rowling: The diary – Moaning Myrtle. The cup – Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket – a Muggle tramp. Nagini – Bertha Jorkins (Voldemort could use a wand once he regained a rudimentary body, as long as the victim was subdued).

J.K. Rowling: The diadem – an Albanian peasant. The ring – Tom Riddle snr.

JKR used Bertha Jorkins to make the Nagini Horcrux. So, again, he could have used Nagini to kill the peasant or some other random dude. And Nagini did sort-of help kill Frank by being the lookout.



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I think a charm used to fix a broken nose and mouth would have worked fine on a small cut... And it says that he hadn't learned to "repair wounds" in general.

Again, we dont' really knwo much about the medical workings of the charms. And Shewho's reasonings are good... thatwhether or not he knew then was one thing.. he never leaned it in school, like he said
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PostPosted: May 6, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing that was new was the sign that said Headmistress.


Perhaps, but from the wording, it seems that both are new to him. Could be also, as shewhoshouldnotbenamed said, that he just got another pang, but if so it's not written properly.


Also, even if he's seen those brooms chained there before, it was still a relatively new addition. He technically hadn't seen them in his many detentions. Those brooms were there for a relative few detentions . . . and the pang probably felt renewed eveytime he saw them there.

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He never walk there after a long day on the train in the evening like that.


The books says "Having always traveled there by carriage, Harry had never before appreciated just how far Hogwarts was from Hogsmeade Station." i.e. it has nothing to do with the train, just the fact that he was used to the carriage.


hhmmm . . . I'm trying to remember a time when he walked the lane directly. When he went through the secret passageways, that distance was probably shorter since they were underground and could therefore make straight paths from point a to point b. The lane probably twists and turns, making the actual walking distance longer. I can't remember him ever walking it without being underground prior to HBP, though. Maybe you could point me to the place in the books. Confused

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Was DD talking about Frank Bryce? There was an Albanian peasant that was murdered, too, plus I'm sure plenty more. Also, he did sort-of use Nagini to kill Frank, as Nagini was the one keeping guard.


The Albanian peasent was murdered much earlier, when Voldemort made the Diadem into a Horcrux. Frank Bryce's murder was used to make Nagini a Horcrux, and he killed him with Avada Kedavra.

And shewhoshouldnotbenamed - Harry told Sirius about the dream, and he told DD.


As Ginny said, Nagini was the one who spotted Frank and pointed him out to Voldemort. Maybe that was the use that DD was talking about. After realizing how useful his snake ws, Voldemort decided to make better use of him.

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Like with memory charms, there could be different types of healing charms, depending on the injury.


I think a charm used to fix a broken nose and mouth would have worked fine on a small cut... And it says that he hadn't learned to "repair wounds" in general.
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I agree with you here. It's quite possible that the episkey spell just didn't come into Harry's mind in this instance, though.

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6. In QTTA chapter 1:

"No spell yet devised enables wizards to fly unaided in human form."

Well, we now know that Voldemort and Snape could fly (but I suppose it's possible - probable, actually - that Whisp just didn't know that, but still, given that Dumbledore wrote a special foreward for the Muggle edition, and he surely knew that Snape could fly - not to mention that he probably could fly himself - you would think that he would've corrected Whisp on this mistake. Then again, maybe flying is - for some odd, inexplicable reason - considered dark magic, so then DD wouldn't want to mention it. OK, whatever, I'm just rambling...)

Well, that's it for today. Any ideas? (I am somewhat relying on GinnyX to magically produce satisfying clarifications...)


Well, there is a lot to take into consideration in this situation. First of all, flying is obviously associated with the dark arts, so it must be just about as taboo as witchcraft was for the puritans.

Second of all, there is no evidence that DD could fly. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that there was a converstaion about the fact that he couldn't fly with out the aid of some device whlie Snape and Voldemort could. Obviously Snape learned to fly from Voldemort. Voldemort in turn more than likely developed the spell himself. Of course, it could have very easily been the other way around. Snape was handy with inventing spells. Either way, this spell was unknown to the wizarding world. Nobody knew it, and DD might not have wanted people to even know about this spell. Think about how disheartening it would be to include a sentece about the storied of "he-who-must-not-be-named" being the only known person to appear to fly unaided. Even if he had, the key word here is "appear." DD would have been a fool to include information in some one else's book without the concrete evidence that such a spell exists. Most people probably didn't even know that Voldemort could fly. It just seems like too shady of a subject to include in such a light-hearted book.
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6. In QTTA chapter 1:

"No spell yet devised enables wizards to fly unaided in human form."

Well, we now know that Voldemort and Snape could fly (but I suppose it's possible - probable, actually - that Whisp just didn't know that, but still, given that Dumbledore wrote a special foreward for the Muggle edition, and he surely knew that Snape could fly - not to mention that he probably could fly himself - you would think that he would've corrected Whisp on this mistake. Then again, maybe flying is - for some odd, inexplicable reason - considered dark magic, so then DD wouldn't want to mention it. OK, whatever, I'm just rambling...)


I didnt even see this question before...

We have NO idea whether or not DD could fly. And we have NO idea whether or not he knew Snape coud fly. I'm going to say no that he couldn't fly, because the other members of the Order were stunndd to see Voldemort flying, because they didn't know it was possible.
Either way, DD didn't includ eit in there for a reason. Perhaps beacuse it is Dark Magic or because he didn't know about it.
Also, JKR couldn't have it in there because the fact that Voldemort could fly was supposed to be a surprise for us and everyone in the book.
Either way, we dont know whether or not DD could fly or even knew about flying... that's for the Potterpedia to tell us, hopefully.
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According to the Bloomsbury Chat...
Lady Bella: Whose murders did voldemor use to create each of the horcruxes

J.K. Rowling: The diary – Moaning Myrtle. The cup – Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket – a Muggle tramp. Nagini – Bertha Jorkins (Voldemort could use a wand once he regained a rudimentary body, as long as the victim was subdued).

J.K. Rowling: The diadem – an Albanian peasant. The ring – Tom Riddle snr.

JKR used Bertha Jorkins to make the Nagini Horcrux. So, again, he could have used Nagini to kill the peasant or some other random dude. And Nagini did sort-of help kill Frank by being the lookout.


That interview just makes the whole thing even less comprehnsible. Didn't DD say explicitly that Voldemort made Nagini into a Horcrux after the Muggle's death?

I guess DD just didn't know exactly what happened. Maybe, having heard the dream (not directly from Harry, but) from Sirius, the events became garbled, and no one even realized that Nagini was a Horcrux before Frank Bryce's murder, since he made her a Horcrux with Bertha Jorkin's death.

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hhmmm . . . I'm trying to remember a time when he walked the lane directly. When he went through the secret passageways, that distance was probably shorter since they were underground and could therefore make straight paths from point a to point b. The lane probably twists and turns, making the actual walking distance longer. I can't remember him ever walking it without being underground prior to HBP, though. Maybe you could point me to the place in the books.


The only times he went underground were in PoA when he didn't have permission. At the end of the year he got a permission note from Sirius, and thereafter he walked there with everyone else.
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According to the Bloomsbury Chat...
Lady Bella: Whose murders did voldemor use to create each of the horcruxes

J.K. Rowling: The diary – Moaning Myrtle. The cup – Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket – a Muggle tramp. Nagini – Bertha Jorkins (Voldemort could use a wand once he regained a rudimentary body, as long as the victim was subdued).

J.K. Rowling: The diadem – an Albanian peasant. The ring – Tom Riddle snr.

JKR used Bertha Jorkins to make the Nagini Horcrux. So, again, he could have used Nagini to kill the peasant or some other random dude. And Nagini did sort-of help kill Frank by being the lookout.


That interview just makes the whole thing even less comprehnsible. Didn't DD say explicitly that Voldemort made Nagini into a Horcrux after the Muggle's death?

I guess DD just didn't know exactly what happened. Maybe, having heard the dream (not directly from Harry, but) from Sirius, the events became garbled, and no one even realized that Nagini was a Horcrux before Frank Bryce's murder, since he made her a Horcrux with Bertha Jorkin's death.


Actually, according to your original post, he said this:

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"After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux."


That does not imply that Voldemort used that man to make a horcrux.

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hhmmm . . . I'm trying to remember a time when he walked the lane directly. When he went through the secret passageways, that distance was probably shorter since they were underground and could therefore make straight paths from point a to point b. The lane probably twists and turns, making the actual walking distance longer. I can't remember him ever walking it without being underground prior to HBP, though. Maybe you could point me to the place in the books.


The only times he went underground were in PoA when he didn't have permission. At the end of the year he got a permission note from Sirius, and thereafter he walked there with everyone else.
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I thought that they went to Hogsmead by carriage.
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I thought that they went to Hogsmead by carriage.


In OotP, he walks to Hogsmeade with Cho.

In HBP, the trio walks back from Hogsmeade in the cold... and that's when they see Katie get cursed by the necklace.

They went to Hogsmeade by carriage when they went to teh train station, but not on their weekend trips.


I really think Harry meant that he had never really appreciated the walk before and how long it was.
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PostPosted: May 7, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
zengrenouille wrote:


I thought that they went to Hogsmead by carriage.


In OotP, he walks to Hogsmeade with Cho.

In HBP, the trio walks back from Hogsmeade in the cold... and that's when they see Katie get cursed by the necklace.

They went to Hogsmeade by carriage when they went to teh train station, but not on their weekend trips.


I really think Harry meant that he had never really appreciated the walk before and how long it was.


I didn't remember him walking there with Cho. I found one reference of him going to Hogsmeade with Hermione, and I guess that it's assumed that they walked in that passge. As for the trips in HBP, I don't count them since they happened after his trip with Tonks.
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PostPosted: May 8, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another one I came across...
In OotP the trio walks to Hogsmeade together on the day they go to Hogs Head for the first time...

OotP ch 16, pg 335 (US edition, paperback)
They walked between the tall stone pillars topped with winged boars and turned left onto the road into the village, the wind whipping their hair into their eyes.

And, yeah, he walked there with Cho. I think that because he always spent the time either walking while chatting with his company or hurrying through freezing cold even never cared or realized how long the walk was. Or perhaps the walk just seemed longer when he walked with Tonks because of the situation.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When does Snape fly? I don't remember that. Question
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moxi0206 wrote:
When does Snape fly? I don't remember that. Question

The chapter Sacking of Severus Snape... ch 30, pg 599 (US ed)
With a tingle of horror, Harry saw in teh distance a huge, batlike shape flying through the darkness toward the perimeter wall.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you! I remember that know. I think I was too wrapped up in what was going on to realize that Snape was actually flying! Wink
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: various contradictions Reply with quote

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5. In chapter 2 of DH:

"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic... but he had to admit to himself that this jagged cut in his finger would have defeated him. He had never learned how to repair wounds, and now he came to think of it – particularly in light of his immediate plans – it seemed a serious flaw in his magical education."

But he had indeed learned how to repair wounds. In chapter 8 of HBP Tonks repairs his nose with the "Episkey" charm, and he later used the same charm himself (having apparently mastered it) in chapter 14:

"I can fix that," said Harry, landing beside the two girls, pointing his wand at Demelza's mouth, and saying "Episkey.""


about this one, i can be due to the fact i've read te dutch translation, but i always interpreted this in the way that harry knew how to heal it magically, but he couldnt:
"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic..."
thus what i thought was meant, is that he actually didn't really know how to treat a wound the normal(muggle) way..
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: various contradictions Reply with quote

Zarlin the Mage wrote:
kwidditch wrote:
5. In chapter 2 of DH:

"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic... but he had to admit to himself that this jagged cut in his finger would have defeated him. He had never learned how to repair wounds, and now he came to think of it – particularly in light of his immediate plans – it seemed a serious flaw in his magical education."

But he had indeed learned how to repair wounds. In chapter 8 of HBP Tonks repairs his nose with the "Episkey" charm, and he later used the same charm himself (having apparently mastered it) in chapter 14:

"I can fix that," said Harry, landing beside the two girls, pointing his wand at Demelza's mouth, and saying "Episkey.""


about this one, i can be due to the fact i've read te dutch translation, but i always interpreted this in the way that harry knew how to heal it magically, but he couldnt:
"It was stupid, pointless, irritating beyond belief that he still had four days left of being unable to perform magic..."
thus what i thought was meant, is that he actually didn't really know how to treat a wound the normal(muggle) way..


You missed most of the quote here:

but he had to admit to himself that this jagged cut in his finger would have defeated him. He had never learned how to repair wounds, and now he came to think of it – particularly in light of his immediate plans – it seemed a serious flaw in his magical education.

This means that he didn't know how to do it magically.
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