there have been many arguements on this site about what ginny's intentions were on harry's birthday. but before i state my opinion id like to ask everyone to be completly honest (but please dont post simply to say i or anybody else is perverted. sexual activities between a 17 and 16 year old is both legal and realistic. so if i see any verbal attacks i will report them).
ok i think Ginny intended to go all the way because
1.She had him come in her room. if she just wanted to talk or kiss she would have said something like "lets go for a walk" or "lets go out to the garden". but she asked him to go in her room where there is a bed and privacy.
2.it says
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"she was kissing him as she had never kissed him before and harry was kissing her back, and it was blissful oblivion, better then firewhisky; she was the only real thing in the world, ginny, the feel of her, one hand on her back and one in her long, sweet smelling hair".
That didn't sound like a goodbye kiss, that sounded like a lets have sex kiss.
3.I think that Hermione knew what Ginny was trying to do. its not a secret that Ginny goes to Hermione for help with Harry, she says so herself in HBP. One reason i think this is that when harry goes in Ginny's room, Hermione pushes ron up stairs. And when Ron came barging in her room, Hermione shows up behind him and is out of breath which implies that she put up a great effert to keep ron away from them.
4.It was his birthday and she was giving him a present. i really cant see her thinking that a kiss is a good gift. all that would do is make it harder for him to be around her. but if she was to have sex with him, that would in this case be a very good gift.
5.Ginny says that she is afraid he will meet someone while he is away and that she wanted him to have something to remember her. a kiss would not have done the trick, but sex would. I meen everyone remembers there first time.
6.Ginny was probly scared that Harry was gonna die. that would have made her reckless enough to sleep with him.
7.ok this is my last one. for those of you who are thinking "jkr would never imply sex when she knows how many 7 year olds read the books". When you read this part of the book you can tell that any innocent 7 year old would just assume they were kissing but the older readers would know whats really happening.
I also wonder if that was what JKR had intended that kiss to have meant. I don't know if Ginny meant for them to have "sex" but it was definitely a more passionate kiss than Harry was used to. He even said that she kissed him like never before... so it was a different kind of kiss from when they were hidden around the school.
They wouldn't have been able to go take a walk, the Burrow grounds were covered in wedding preperations. So even if it was meant to be just a passionate kiss, it had little to do with the location. Also, it mirrored the first time he had been to the Burrow, when she peered out at him from behind the door, and quickly closed it when he noticed her eyes peeking at him. This time they were going up stairs and she didn't close the door. Instead she opened the door and invited him in, which is a drastic change from the first time they saw each other at the Burrow.
There is no doubt in my mind that Hermione knew what Ginny was planning, the way Ron burst in with her in obvious hot pursuit. Ginny probably told Hermione what she planned for his birthday. When Harry went into the room, Hermione and Ron probably went wherever. After a few moments of Harry's absence, Ron probably started wondering why it was taking so long to give him his gift... and then he realized. Either because Ron isn't so dumb or Hermione unintentionally gave it away.
On one hand, I do think all signs point to Ginny's intentions being more than that of a kiss. On the other hand, I don't know if JKR would go there in this book. On the third hand (yes, I have three hands, just go with it) the characters have matured, as did many of the readers. And she did say that Ron and Hermione fell asleep holding hands... which is borderline racy for a children's book. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
I think her intention on writing it so vaguely were so the older kids could make the reasoned assumption that Harry was about to get some. If it was always just a kiss then why would she have needed to make Ron burst through the door? _________________
never thought of it that way but yes now i think of it i can see where your coming from.
on the other hand, they always seemed so inocent i always wondered if ron and harry would talk about the chicks etc etc. the way she rights the books though i just think it seems a bit out of character for the hole story of harry potter.
another question... if there so blocked off from the muggle world (as we see with mr weasley, who works around muggles yet is still dumb) then they wouldnt have condoms or the pill. maybe a charm? a spell?
another question... if there so blocked off from the muggle world (as we see with mr weasley, who works around muggles yet is still dumb) then they wouldnt have condoms or the pill. maybe a charm? a spell?
Actually I thought about this the other day, the lucky bastards probably have 100% fullproof magical ways lol. _________________
another question... if there so blocked off from the muggle world (as we see with mr weasley, who works around muggles yet is still dumb) then they wouldnt have condoms or the pill. maybe a charm? a spell?
Actually, it's the other way around. It's them who are cut off from the wizarding world. Members of the Order have stated so a couple of times, how the muggles havae figured out ways to cope without magic. It's the muggles who can't perform magic so they've had to figure out way to do things without magic. So I think it's very safe to say that there is some sort of spell or potion that they use in order to practice safe sex. And the methods of birth control muggles use are just non-magical forms of magical birth control. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
You know I was thinking of posting this awhile back, but i thought i would get in trouble because its talking about sex. But anyways, I truly believe that Ginny's intentions were to get in bed with Harry. For some odd reason it bugged me too, to me I thought that JK was making Ginny seem like a slut. Yes I know that they were going out, but they had broken up and where I live if someone tried to sleep with their ex they would with have a field day. Its kinda frowned upon I guess, so I thought that JK was writing Ginny out of character a little... Btw I heard once that it isnt illegal in Britain for kids 16 and over to have sex or go to bars. I'm not sure if this is true or not. So JK wouldnt be writing something illegal in Britain, just for us American kids and some other up tight nations.
i think if gunny wanted to have sex with harry then she would have locked the door at least even though you could just use a spell to unlock it. but if you are just going to kiss him then it would not be as bad if ron walked in and both their cloths were of. even though hermione did try to stop ron, i would have taken more precautions so no one would walk in if i was going to have sex in a small house with losts of people.
You know I was thinking of posting this awhile back, but i thought i would get in trouble because its talking about sex. But anyways, I truly believe that Ginny's intentions were to get in bed with Harry. For some odd reason it bugged me too, to me I thought that JK was making Ginny seem like a slut. Yes I know that they were going out, but they had broken up and where I live if someone tried to sleep with their ex they would with have a field day. Its kinda frowned upon I guess, so I thought that JK was writing Ginny out of character a little... Btw I heard once that it isnt illegal in Britain for kids 16 and over to have sex or go to bars. I'm not sure if this is true or not. So JK wouldnt be writing something illegal in Britain, just for us American kids and some other up tight nations.
In England the drinking age is 18 and underage drinking isn't condemned, not like here, at least.
They were broken up, but they still loved each other. I'm shocked that in your area two people having sex is frowned upon. Having sex doesn't make you a slut where I come from. Not if it's with one guy and you both love each other. I guess not all places are the same, though. So no, I don't think JKR was writitng Ginny out of character either way.
Some places in the US it is illegal, but unless one of the person's is over 18, then I've never known any minors to have actually been arrested for having sex. Mainly because both parents would have to press charges against the other. And no parent wants their child's sexlife posted in the newspaper. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
In England the drinking age is 18 and underage drinking isn't condemned, not like here, at least.
how about when they are able to have sex? is that 18 too like in the US?
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They were broken up, but they still loved each other. I'm shocked that in your area two people having sex is frowned upon. Having sex doesn't make you a slut where I come from. Not if it's with one guy and you both love each other. I guess not all places are the same, though. So no, I don't think JKR was writitng Ginny out of character either way.
Some places in the US it is illegal, but unless one of the person's is over 18, then I've never known any minors to have actually been arrested for having sex. Mainly because both parents would have to press charges against the other. And no parent wants their child's sexlife posted in the newspaper.
I didnt mean for it to seem that harsh its just no one here can shut up and before you know it your a slut for sleeping with a guy you broke up with... and for some odd reason people here just have issues with people sleeping wiht people you broke up with recently... its hard to describe...
I was thinking about that myself, it did seem like she was really into the kiss and she probably really did belive he was going to die or she just wasn't going to see him in a really long time. _________________
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He isn't saying that that there is something wrong with the kiss between Harry and Ginny. He is stating his opinion about Ginny's iintentions weren't just the kiss.
Personally i never thought about this and i think that this is a real possibility especially when i think about the younger kids that read the book and that JK didn't want to go that far. Also something else not sure if this makes a difference but in the epilouge Ginny says to James your just like Ron for walking in on Ted and Victoria (Or whatever her name was.) _________________ Wand: 9 3/4", Oak, Phoenix Tail Feather
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You know I was thinking of posting this awhile back, but i thought i would get in trouble because its talking about sex. But anyways, I truly believe that Ginny's intentions were to get in bed with Harry. For some odd reason it bugged me too, to me I thought that JK was making Ginny seem like a slut. Yes I know that they were going out, but they had broken up and where I live if someone tried to sleep with their ex they would with have a field day. Its kinda frowned upon I guess, so I thought that JK was writing Ginny out of character a little... Btw I heard once that it isnt illegal in Britain for kids 16 and over to have sex or go to bars. I'm not sure if this is true or not. So JK wouldnt be writing something illegal in Britain, just for us American kids and some other up tight nations.
lol i dont know what the age is where you live but in michigan you only have to be 16 to have sex.
1.She had him come in her room. if she just wanted to talk or kiss she would have said something like "lets go for a walk" or "lets go out to the garden". but she asked him to go in her room where there is a bed and privacy.
She'd want privacy while kissing him to. And it looks like her room didn't end up as private as she'd hoped. Why didn't she cast an inpenitrable charm on her door?
2.it says "she was kissing him as she had never kissed him before and harry was kissing her back, and it was blissful oblivion, better then firewhisky; she was the only real thing in the world, ginny, the feel of her, one hand on her back and one in her long, sweet smelling hair". That didn't sound like a goodbye kiss, that sounded like a lets have sex kiss.
Now, that is a good point.
3.I think that Hermione knew what Ginny was trying to do. its not a secret that Ginny goes to Hermione for help with Harry, she says so herself in HBP. One reason i think this is that when harry goes in Ginny's room, Hermione pushes ron up stairs. And when Ron came barging in her room, Hermione shows up behind him and is out of breath which implies that she put up a great effert to keep ron away from them.
Well, why didn't Ginny hit Ron with a stunning spell? I would if someone interupted my first "let's have sex" kiss.
4.It was his birthday and she was giving him a present. i really cant see her thinking that a kiss is a good gift. all that would do is make it harder for him to be around her. but if she was to have sex with him, that would in this case be a very good gift.
Wouldn't having sex with her also make it hard to be arround her?
5.Ginny says that she is afraid he will meet someone while he is away and that she wanted him to have something to remember her. a kiss would not have done the trick, but sex would. I meen everyone remembers there first time.
I'm sure that Harry knows exactly how many days he'd gone without kissing Ginny while on his Horcrux Hunt. Somewhere near 300. Yeah, he'd remember.
6.Ginny was probly scared that Harry was gonna die. that would have made her reckless enough to sleep with him.
It probably would.
7.ok this is my last one. for those of you who are thinking "jkr would never imply sex when she knows how many 7 year olds read the books". When you read this part of the book you can tell that any innocent 7 year old would just assume they were kissing but the older readers would know whats really happening.
Also Harry having dreams about Ginny that made him greatful Ron couldn't preform Legemancy was incredibly suggestive. _________________ Things I must NOT do at Hogwarts
lol i dont know what the age is where you live but in michigan you only have to be 16 to have sex.
Wow its 18 here!
anyways... i think it is possible that jk wanted older readers to see it as harry possibly might be able to get some action from ginny... either that or we who thought are very very perverted.
7.ok this is my last one. for those of you who are thinking "jkr would never imply sex when she knows how many 7 year olds read the books". When you read this part of the book you can tell that any innocent 7 year old would just assume they were kissing but the older readers would know whats really happening.
Also Harry having dreams about Ginny that made him greatful Ron couldn't preform Legemancy was incredibly suggestive.
Yeah... there is that part in HBP, and another one where he thought about her from the waking hours to dawn... oh this is going to bother me now until I find that part in the book. But yeah, she has definitely used suggestive language before. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
You know I was thinking of posting this awhile back, but i thought i would get in trouble because its talking about sex. But anyways, I truly believe that Ginny's intentions were to get in bed with Harry. For some odd reason it bugged me too, to me I thought that JK was making Ginny seem like a slut. Yes I know that they were going out, but they had broken up and where I live if someone tried to sleep with their ex they would with have a field day. Its kinda frowned upon I guess, so I thought that JK was writing Ginny out of character a little... Btw I heard once that it isnt illegal in Britain for kids 16 and over to have sex or go to bars. I'm not sure if this is true or not. So JK wouldnt be writing something illegal in Britain, just for us American kids and some other up tight nations.
How repressed! In Aus the age of consent is sixteen and the drinking age is 18
Here's a list of ages of consent to shock and appall your uptight views (or that expressed by your community): http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
Oh and Ginny isn't supposed to perform magic, remember? I suppose she figured Hermoine could deal with Ron. So I'm gonna stick with them wanting to bump uglies. _________________
Oh and Ginny isn't supposed to perform magic, remember? I suppose she figured Hermoine could deal with Ron. So I'm gonna stick with them wanting to bump uglies.
Ginny lives with a wizarding family, so nobody would ever know if she did magic secretly. I bet that she does it all of the time, anyway. _________________
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I also wonder if that was what JKR had intended that kiss to have meant. I don't know if Ginny meant for them to have "sex" but it was definitely a more passionate kiss than Harry was used to. He even said that she kissed him like never before... so it was a different kind of kiss from when they were hidden around the school.
They wouldn't have been able to go take a walk, the Burrow grounds were covered in wedding preperations. So even if it was meant to be just a passionate kiss, it had little to do with the location. Also, it mirrored the first time he had been to the Burrow, when she peered out at him from behind the door, and quickly closed it when he noticed her eyes peeking at him. This time they were going up stairs and she didn't close the door. Instead she opened the door and invited him in, which is a drastic change from the first time they saw each other at the Burrow.
There is no doubt in my mind that Hermione knew what Ginny was planning, the way Ron burst in with her in obvious hot pursuit. Ginny probably told Hermione what she planned for his birthday. When Harry went into the room, Hermione and Ron probably went wherever. After a few moments of Harry's absence, Ron probably started wondering why it was taking so long to give him his gift... and then he realized. Either because Ron isn't so dumb or Hermione unintentionally gave it away.
On one hand, I do think all signs point to Ginny's intentions being more than that of a kiss. On the other hand, I don't know if JKR would go there in this book. On the third hand (yes, I have three hands, just go with it) the characters have matured, as did many of the readers. And she did say that Ron and Hermione fell asleep holding hands... which is borderline racy for a children's book.
Couldn't of said it better myself. _________________
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