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ok. so im confused again.
so harry had to willingly give himself to voldemort so as not to invoke the protection they have between them.
so why did voldie's soul in harry "die", and why didnt harry die. and why did voldie collapse as well?
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| Posted: November 29, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Confused |
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ok. so im confused again.
so harry had to willingly give himself to voldemort so as not to invoke the protection they have between them.
so why did voldie's soul in harry "die", and why didnt harry die. and why did voldie collapse as well? |
My speculation is maybe there was a resistence of some sort.
Harry didn't die because he wasn't ready to die.
Voldy did because he was weakened to the point of death I guess.
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Harry didn't die because of the same reason he didn't die when he first received his scar. His mothers blood protected Harry but it didn't stop the curse from doing Damage to Harry. Thats why Voldemort fell when Harry fell.(They are connected) The Soul was destroyed because the curse could not kill Harry so it killed a part of Voldemort soul because it was NOT protected by Harry's mother.
I hope i made that clear. =/ If not just ask and i will try to explain it a bit better.
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but i thought voldemort, by taking in the blood of harry, was protected as well?
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| Me too but AL knows more I forgot to add that |
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| halfbloodprincess wrote: |
| but i thought voldemort, by taking in the blood of harry, was protected as well? |
The piece of himself that was in Harry was not protected because it was put in Harry before he returned with Harrys Blood in himself. He was brought down because the curse was strong and when Harry was hurt so was Voldemort (Because of there bond)
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hmm... i see...
so what was happening to him when he fainted? was he like "eavesdropping" on harrys converasation with dumbledore? or was he having another separate dream conversation with dumbledore? or what?
did dumbledore choose to appear to harry anyway? or was harry just thinking of him?
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| halfbloodprincess wrote: |
hmm... i see...
so what was happening to him when he fainted? was he like "eavesdropping" on harrys converasation with dumbledore? or was he having another separate dream conversation with dumbledore? or what?
did dumbledore choose to appear to harry anyway? or was harry just thinking of him? |
Voldemort might have been in his own dream world. Unfortunately i do not know that part. I believe he would have seen himself dieing slowly because parts of his souls have been destroyed. Also, he could have been haunted by the same souls who helped Harry escape the grave yard in book 4.
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Some people think that Harry did not die bucause he was the owner of all of the Deathly Hallows. Of course, this has been countered by the fact that he dropped the ring on the ground before he was AKed.
Some people think that the reason he didn't die was because Voldemort had Harry's blood running through his veins. They believe that the blood kept him tied to life.
I'm pretty sure that the reason he lived was NOT because of the fact that his mother died saving him. That love thing only worked until he was of age, I thought. There are other theories as to why he lived, but I don't really remember them right now. I'll post later if I think of them.
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| zengrenouille wrote: |
Some people think that Harry did not die bucause he was the owner of all of the Deathly Hallows. Of course, this has been countered by the fact that he dropped the ring on the ground before he was AKed.
Some people think that the reason he didn't die was because Voldemort had Harry's blood running through his veins. They believe that the blood kept him tied to life.
I'm pretty sure that the reason he lived was NOT because of the fact that his mother died saving him. That love thing only worked until he was of age, I thought. There are other theories as to why he lived, but I don't really remember them right now. I'll post later if I think of them. |
He didn't die because of his mothers blood was in him and Voldemort.
This is how the story beings ! How could of it not be his mother ? Thats how he lived the first time and this time as well.
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I though it was because the Voldimort in Harry died, thus the crying screaming baby, and the harry in voldimort died, thus he fell over.
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| Posted: November 30, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Voldemort might have been in his own dream world. Unfortunately i do not know that part. I believe he would have seen himself dieing slowly because parts of his souls have been destroyed. Also, he could have been haunted by the same souls who helped Harry escape the grave yard in book 4. |
hmmm i see...
oh and another question, what was dumbledore's point in giving harry the ring hallow? so that he could become master of death and thus not die? but i thought he intended that the power of the elder wand die with him? of course we know that things did not go exactly as planned because draco overpowered dumbledore. but he wrote his will before draco overpowered him, so why did he intend anyway to give the ring to harry?
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I think he wanted Harry to complete the Hallows to be a master of death to be able to win Voldemort.
As for the previous question,
When Voldemort, killed Harry, Harry didn't die, partly because he sacrificed himself for others, partly because Voldemort killed his soul in Harry instead of Harry himself, partly because he had the Hallows, partly because Voldemort took Harry's blood, partly because he had his mothers' sacrificial blood in him, partly because it was intended for Voldemort to be unable to kill Harry( same theory why Harry's wand was stronger).
That was all i could gather.
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| Posted: November 30, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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eh?
but the sacrifice of lily to harry was in voldemort's blood as well. and i dont know how dumbledore could have made harry master of death when there was the problem about the wand. how could harry have won the wand if dumbledore didnt give harry the opportunity to win it?
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Just so you people know...Harry didn't have the ring with him....It only enabled him to talk to the dead before he welcomed it. He was suppose to welcome death so the soul within him would die. He dropped the ring before he entered Arrogons nest.
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so you think dumbledore meant for him, not to be master of death, but just simply to have the ring to give him the strength once he has to face death.
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Yes. Doesn't he explain that himself ? When they die...
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| Posted: November 30, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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oh i dont recall... lemme get back to that again.
hmm... maybe thats why its "i open at the close"
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yes^
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hmm i see...
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i didn't got to the end of 7th book
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Then you should read it before you post in the Deathly Hollows area. Your just spoiling the book for your self.
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harry had to get killed because he had a little piece of voldemort's soul in him.so voldemort killed his own soul in harry but harry still got his own whole soul...dumbledore said it to him...
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