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padfoot08
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not leaving so much thats the problem i would imagine. Its trying to do something but doing it a whole lot different for a example the duel between voldemort and dumbeldore.

Why did they make there wands connect? it makes Harry's connection in GOF seem not so important. Why did they make the death eaters and the order fly around when they are fighting they were all pointless editions which didnt add much to the storyline.


I was kind of wondering about that Dumbledore/Voldemort thing myself, but no people came out of the "connection" and started talking to Dumbledore so I put it aside as special effects to make the movie more appealing.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well itmight be because Voldemort hasnt killed anyone after Harrys wand connected with his.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The movie did suck in comparison to the book.--They always do.
It was by far the best so far! (Especially the scene in the department of mysteries!!)
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

copperdude14 wrote:
they did get it right...they cut down the longest book into the shortest movie, yet still made it a good movie. sure, the die-hard book lovers wont like it, but mostly everyone else will. you gotta remember, this is a movie.


I dissagree with that one. OotP is my favorite book and I absolutely loved the film. When PoA cam out, it was my favorite book at the time and I was very dissapointed with the direction Cauron took it in (I love the movie now though). But after this movie was over, I couldn't shut up about it. In fact I still can't for the most part.

Yes, there were a lot of changes made to the movie in terms of who did what and what was left out. But a movie is a very different media and these things happen. What I was most concerned about the most was the lack of information the movie gave. As a person whose read OotP 4-5 times, I knew the book very well. However, my friend who came with me to see it, and has only seen the movies, had a lot of questions I had to answer for him because the movie never did.

Example, did anyone notice that the movie never explain exactly why Voldemort wanted the phrophecy, and how the it was obtained in the first place? I didn't either until he asked me about it. I can't even imagine what seeing these films as a non book reader would be like. I'd probably be quite lost. I started reading the books after CoS was made, and the first two movies did a really good job of covering everything for the most part (partly due to the shortness of the books).
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The director Danial Yates had quite a challenge on his hands. Harry Potter & The Order of the Phoenix is the longest book in the Harry Potter series with pages stretching well over the eight hundred mark. Directors and film makers simply cannot make a four hour long film. Participants would fall asleep half way into the movie. These Harry Potter films are based on the books. That does not mean that every single detail will be included in these films productions.

I thought the movie was good. There were high and low points as with every movie but not bad, not bad at all.

Good Points

• fantastic special effects! Everything seemed so real and the scenes were detailed. The animation was also done extremely well. Good clear pictures of cats on the walls in Dolores Umbridge's office. Good use of symbolism during the fight with Lord Voldemort.
• Characters had passion! Danial Radcliffe portrayed Harry Potter extremely well. He was in touch with Harry Potter's moods. He new how to act at certain times.
• Dolores Umbridge was played really well. She was mean and nasty and a very menacing person.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Verge wrote:
Example, did anyone notice that the movie never explain exactly why Voldemort wanted the phrophecy, and how the it was obtained in the first place? I didn't either until he asked me about it. I can't even imagine what seeing these films as a non book reader would be like. I'd probably be quite lost.


If there was one part I would have liked to see elaborated on a bit more, it was the whole prophecy bit. Just another minute or two for explaining why it's so important, and I think the movie would have made a lot more sense to someone who hasn't read the books.

But I've talked with plenty of people who haven't read the book who understood it fine *shrug* It really comes down to the person I guess.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering this was my favorite book, I thought the movie was just okay. Sure, I'm probably going to go see it another 7 times in the theatre, but the fact that they condensed down, almost too much, mad me a tad angry. They could've given it an extra 15 or 20 minutes to maybe clear up a little of the prophecy bit, or make the DoM battle a little more kick-ass. Of course things were out of order according to the book timeline, but that's going to happen. As a die-hard book fan I'm going to have my discrepancies, but as a fan in general it's a film I'm going to go back and see another 5 times.

The one thing I will say is that I absolutely LOVED Luna Lovegood! She was just an okay character in the book, you know, if she pops up on the page she's just kinda there, but during the movie I found myself laughing out loud several times. Kudos to her! Laughing
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luna was always a great character. But Evanna did a wonderful job of portraying her.
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PostPosted: July 16, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was my favorite movie so far. Movies and books are two completely different art forms, and you can't compare them. In the books you get more of an insight into the characters' heads, and you just can't do that in a movie. And for the most part, the movie followed the book, just not the smaller details, but it had the general idea of the book. I think it's impossible to fit 870 pages into a 2 and a half hour movie anyway.
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PostPosted: July 19, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Grawp or the part at the end of the book where Harry trashes Dumbledore's office in the movie?
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PostPosted: July 19, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Potter 165 wrote:
Is Grawp or the part at the end of the book where Harry trashes Dumbledore's office in the movie?


Grawp is, but the part when Harry destroys Dumbledore's office isn't.
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PostPosted: July 20, 2007 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all.....

I thought the movie was awesome!! I went with my hubby who is not a book fan, but follows the movies. He really enjoyed it too and understood everything about the prophecy etc.... and he has never picked up a hp book ( Iknow I know, but we were married before I took up Harry !!)

The only bit I wouldve loved to have made is the hunt in the DOM, with the brain room and stuff.... That wouldve been hilarious with Ron.

Thought the actors did a fab job, Daniel Radcliffe much more in tune and normally he is a bit wooden (please dont burn me at the stake for saying that!!) but he was a pleasure to watch. Ron funny as ever, and Sirius was just dreamy!!

Also wouldve loved to have seen more of the ootp and death eaters duelling more, thought that was a bit quick for me.

There you go....my verdict - awesome film, awesome book, bring on films 6 & 7!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: July 20, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went into the movie expecting it to be garbage, mostly due to reading previous posts. I came out from the theatre thinking the movie was friggin awesome. I loved the new directors style. I thought the idea of showing all the daily prophet clippings to speed up the storyline was genius.
I am so picky of the movies, I didn't care much for PoA and I thought GoF was terrible. This was the first one I thought that really got the emotions and personalities of the characters right.
Sure there are some things i would have changed and obviuosly some things I would have added in, but who cares.
IF YOU CAN, GO SEE IT IN IMAX3-D, TOTALLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
I hope the same people (director and screenplay writer) come back for the last two.
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PostPosted: July 22, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This movie was awesome. Period.

I'm still trying to fully grasp why people think this movie is horrible. The director did a fantastic job with making the book come to life with the movie. Sure parts were taken out but it was necessary. My friend didn't read the 5th book when she watched this and she loves it. My other friend and watched it and we love it and we're die-hard book fans (you should've seen me when my dad told me my copy of the 7th book was at my bro's house).

Besides, if they told it the way it was written in the book, the movie would be boring, seeing as you know exactly what happens next (like SS and CoS IMO). At least now, you only have an idea/understanding of what happens next but you don't know how it's really gonna happen (like everything that happened in the Department of Mysteries).

Still, if you hate it, you hate it. I just don't understand why.

And Voldemorts protege, thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to watch it again in IMAX3-D with my other friends.
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PostPosted: July 22, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Exactly. The most important plot points were left in the movie, and I was happy about that. Some of the stuff in the book I wouldn't have cared to see in the movie.
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PostPosted: July 25, 2007 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keb28 wrote:
RiddleisOurKing wrote:
Honestly... I'm not trying to be mean but if you walked into that theater expecting to see an almost carbon copy of the book... then I don't feel bad for you one bit. I've always heard my entire life "the book is better". Not just with HP with EVERYTHING that was originally a book.

There is more story in a book because a book allows for that. Movies are completely separate and you have to have the ability to enjoy them for what they are, if not, then you are just going to get mad and complain a lot.

Personally I thought the film had an artistic edge that the previous four did not have. So just from that standpoint I thought it was good.

But the main thing is I got to see a visual representation for 2 hours and 15 minutes of Harry Potter so I'm going to take it for what I know it is and try to enjoy it and I did.

A lot of people who didn't like it probably walked in with that type of attitude, that if this plot wasn't displayed or if they didn't show this or that, they wouldn't like the movie. That's all fine and good, people can do whatever they want, just don't expect to enjoy a movie that way and don't expect for those who did allow themselves to enjoy it to think it was some embarrassment of a film, because it wasn't.

You can say it was all you want, but it wasn't. Sure there were things I wish they wouldn't have changed or would have put in or elaborated on but oh well, they didn't.

Anyways, you'll all have DH's in a few days and in 3 years when it comes out in the movies you can come back here and tell us how bad it sucked. Very Happy


Yes sir. I really hate it when people go into movies knowing they're going to hate it, then come out and write reviews saying "gosh, I hated it!" They don't give the movie a chance at ALL, just go in there with a horrible attitude, and come out gasping that it was horrible.

I personally loved the movie. And for whoever said that die-hard fans of the book will not like it? Wrong. Everyone I know other than my boyfriend and myself (we haven't read the book yet), who has read the book, absolutely loved this movie, but are even bigger fans than the book. Generalizations, anyone?


I have read the book and I thought the movie was crap. The worst one in my opinion.
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PostPosted: July 25, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amberluvsron wrote:
^^ Exactly. The most important plot points were left in the movie, and I was happy about that. Some of the stuff in the book I wouldn't have cared to see in the movie.


They took the Quidditch out, I really wanted to see that.
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PostPosted: July 25, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, honestly I did too, but oh well.
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PostPosted: July 25, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think they might have it on when the DVD comes out?
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PostPosted: July 25, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it would seem that us who have read the books 4 5 or 6 times exoected more from this movie. It was good, not great. They left out so much important parts. Parts that i taught was suppose to be shown.

I think that tehe director for this one did not do it enough justice. The last movie was better. I only hope that the following movie will be better and they choose a better director maybe someone like Steven Speilberg.
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PostPosted: July 26, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely feel you...the movie should be 3 hrs if it was they could fit more things in and if u were a true fan you woul;d not care.
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PostPosted: July 26, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there best be a directors cut...thats the only thing i belive would explain the seemingly shocking screwup the directors made. flame me all u like, but dont deffend it just because its a HP movie...i dont believe anyone whos says they were even 50% happy with it.
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PostPosted: July 26, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Why did they screw it up so much Reply with quote

Mark33180 wrote:
I don't understand how they can screw it up so much and be happy about releaseing it into theaters.
Spoiler:

Why didn't dobby tell harry about the room of requirement? Why wasn't the swamp brought in? Why wasn't the interview that was in the quibbler even talked about? Cho never ratted them out, Marrietta(spelling?) did. What happened to the OWL exams, McGonagall never got attacked durring the astronamy exam. What about going to the hospital after Mr Weasly got attacked. Harry having lessons with snape the night of the attack. WOW they messed up alot



ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dobby should have done it like he did it in the book!@


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PostPosted: July 29, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote