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PostPosted: August 8, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Horcruxes Reply with quote

Current Horcruxes:
1.Tom Riddles Diary (done)
2.Locket ( with RAB)
3.Ring (Done)
4.Hufflepuff Goblet (Out there)
5. Nagini ? (with voldie)
6. something from gryffendor ?
7. something from ravenclaw ?





I believe harrys scar is a horcrux, and that (banking on the harry = heir of gryffendor theory) would make him something from gryffendor.

If harry is not, there is a scene during DD private lessons where harry sees voldie "reach for his wand" then walks out the door. considering we odnt know how a horcrux is made, i think he made something in the room (sorting hat and]or sword = gryffendor) is made a horcrux.


also, how is harry going to destroy the horcruxes? Dumbledore (the most powerful wizard EVER) almost died getting rid of it from a little ring. he never told haarry how to do it. plus dd used a lot of his powers (finding traces of magic) to even reach the fake locket. how can harry do that? if you read the scene in the cave you see sooooooo many things that are done that there is no way harry can do alone. maybe hermione can help? i dunno. this book need s to answer a LOT of questions
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PostPosted: August 8, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its unlikely that the Sorting hat or the sword are horcruxes, coz they have been protected in Hogwarts for ages. And i dont think Voldie has gotten his hands on any of them. And also i think DD would have figured that out and destroyed them by now.

Makin Harry into a horcrux is definitely something that Voldie will do, because therefore Harry will have to kill himself in order to kill Voldie and also Harry is a descendant of Gryffindor (or atleast we think so).

But Harry might be able to remove the horcrux from within him because he has the power the Darklord knows not, this power is probably his ability to love.
So Harry will probably try to kill himself coz he doesnt want Voldie to return and harm his loved ones. And at this point where Harry is willing to die for his loved ones, i think Voldie's horcruxs (which is in Harry) will be destroyed coz it cant tolerate the love within harry.
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PostPosted: August 8, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voldie wanted sumthing frm gryffindor. And dat sumthing is HARRY.
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PostPosted: August 8, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah exactly. (i did mention that in my post)
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PostPosted: August 15, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though its already been said. The sorting hat and Gryfindor's sword are ruled out automatically.

The Sorting Hat: To near Dumbledore and has been inside Hogwarts for ... Wait! Isn't the Sorting Hat originally Ravenclaw's normal wizard hat just bewitched? I remember that it belonged to someone before hand. If it is, then that means that he can't get something of Ravenclaws ... Anyhow, on J.K. Rowlings site, ( www.jkrowling.com ) under "Rumours", a fan even asks if the Sorting Hat is a horcrux. The answer, "No, it isn't. Horcruxes do not draw attention to themselves by singing songs in front of large audiences." So, that that one ruled out.

Gryfindor's Sword: While Harry and Dumbledore are talking about Horcruxes in his office, Dumbledore says himself that Gryfindor's sword has been safe here in my office for many years. And how could anyone get in and do the spell? Even the Dark Lord himself would have trouble doing that! To prove my point again, Voldemort would be foolish to make the sword a Horcrux seeing as that would be one of the places Dumbledore would look when he figures out that some of Voldemort's Horcruxes are valuble items from Hogwarts.

Even though it would be hard and is wiping out my previous point, I think that there IS a Horcrux inside the castle. It would be something drastic, like ... Mrs. Norris, or Crookshanks.

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: August 16, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt that Mes Norris or Crookshanks are Horcruxes. How would Voldy have gotten hold of them? Crookshanks isn't really old and the woman in the Menagerie said he was in there for ages, probably he was sold to the woman as a kitten and stayed there until Hermione took him. Voldy probably didn't even know him and having a Horcrux so near to his enemy is really very risky.
And Mrs Norris ... well, she seems to be under constant protection of Mr Filch. Voldy couldn't possibly gotten his evil hands on her and she would also be very close to Dumbledore and the other two Order members (Snape and McGonagall) ...

I also doubt that the Sorting Hat and the Sword are Horcruxes and I also don't believe that Voldy would make the scar or Harry a Horcrux ... he intends to kill Harry like the prophecy told him to, why would he make Harry a Horcrux? Voldy is too intelligent to destroy his own soul.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pixie* wrote:
I also doubt that the Sorting Hat and the Sword are Horcruxes and I also don't believe that Voldy would make the scar or Harry a Horcrux ... he intends to kill Harry like the prophecy told him to, why would he make Harry a Horcrux? Voldy is too intelligent to destroy his own soul.


Yeah but killing Harry doesnt necessarliy have to destroy the Horcrux. The horcrux would still remain in Harry's dead body and Voldie will keep Harry's body carefully.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Harry is a Horcrux, then he would have to kill himself to destroy the last horcrux. If he does that then he would to be able to destroy Voldie, which according to the prophecy he is the one to destroy him. It doesn't make since to me for Harry to be a Horcrux.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im guessing that Harry doesnt have to kill himself to destroy the horcrux within him. This has been discussed in this forum before. I believe that Harry can use his powers to "love", to remove the horcrux from within him.
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PostPosted: August 18, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rage wrote:
Im guessing that Harry doesnt have to kill himself to destroy the horcrux within him. This has been discussed in this forum before. I believe that Harry can use his powers to "love", to remove the horcrux from within him.


Yeah, that's possible.
I think that the sword isn't a Horcrux. Harry pulled it out of the hat in his 2nd year, and it was under Dumbledore's care since then. Voldie couldn't have sneaked in. And I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to pull that sword out of the hat, before Harry. (It's Gryffindor's sword after all). And how do we know that Voldemort can even hold the thing? Maybe the sword has a charm on it to stop evil wizards from touching it. Maybe only a tru Gryffindor could wield it.

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Wait! Isn't the Sorting Hat originally Ravenclaw's normal wizard hat just bewitched?


No, it was Godric Gryffindor's. The hat mentions it in the song in either GoF or
OoP, I think. And another thing. The hat is also considered a relic of Godric Gryffindor, since it belonged to him. But it's definitely not a Horcrux, as Colossal said.
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PostPosted: August 18, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siddhu wrote:
Yeah, that's possible.
I think that the sword isn't a Horcrux. Harry pulled it out of the hat in his 2nd year, and it was under Dumbledore's care since then. Voldie couldn't have sneaked in. And I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to pull that sword out of the hat, before Harry. (It's Gryffindor's sword after all). And how do we know that Voldemort can even hold the thing? Maybe the sword


Ohh yeah i didnt think about that. Well that definitely prooves that the sword isnt a horcrux. And the Sorting hat has been protected in Hogwarts for ages, since Hogwarts was formed, so its unlikely that the Sorting hat is also a horcrux.
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PostPosted: August 19, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HP is confusing ... Confused
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PostPosted: August 20, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colossal wrote:
HP is confusing ... Confused


I agree Confused
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PostPosted: August 21, 2006 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, sometimes. You have to keep going back to the books to check stuff.
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PostPosted: August 26, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voldy couldn't get something of Gryffindore's, so instead he used something that belonged to Dombledore.
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PostPosted: August 27, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you referring to the sword or the Sorting Hat, they're both considered relics of Godric Gryffindor. THe sword was not Dumbledore's, he was just safeguarding it in his capacity as Headmaster., because it's a Hogwarts treasure. The hat belonged to Gryffindor as well, but it later become a property of Hogwarts.
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PostPosted: August 27, 2006 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean that the sword belonged to Dumblebore. Dumbledore said that he thought that all of Gryffindore's relics were safe. So Voldemort found something that used to belong to Dumbledore as an alternative.
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PostPosted: August 27, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, how do we know he did that?
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PostPosted: August 27, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not 100% certain, but can't think of a better theory.
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