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HP_Chick


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Posted: August 25, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: Can Harry really Die? |
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| Everyone I have talked to thinks that Harry will die. Why would Jk Rowling kill him off? I think he will live. No one who has a heart would kill Harry off. It would be the sadest thing ever if he ends up dying!!!! SO what do you think? Will he die or Voldamort? |
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Siddhu


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Posted: August 25, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Well, maybe they both might end up dying. _________________ Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
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Snapes_Angel2

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Posted: August 26, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think that if Rowling decides to kill Harry in the 7th book that she'll kill Voldemort as well. I don't think that she would kill the hero of the book without getting rid of the leader of the dark side. This story is a good defeats evil story, so it would be completely insane to allow Voldemort to live if Harry dies. _________________ "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!"
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In Love With Hermione


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Posted: August 26, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Snape's Angel, i think they both will die. _________________
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Snapes_Angel2

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Posted: August 26, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks ILWH!
Another reason I believe that if Rowling kills Harry she has to kill Voldemort as well is because of the connection between Harry's scar and Voldemort. So far we have only seen the connection when something angers or causes pleasure on Voldemorts end, but what if Voldemort somehow created such a connection that if Voldemort were to be killed he would be killed as well due to their connection through the scar, and vice versa? Harry's scar has been mentioned many times in the series, and it's always made me believe it had a much larger purpose other than just showing that Harry survived the killing curse. _________________ "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!"
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HP_Chick


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Posted: August 29, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that I am disagreeing with you, Snapes_Angel2, but in book 6 or 5 Harry mentioned that his scar doesn't hurt anymore and so I think but am not sure that the connection between them isn't as strong. I mean it is still there but not like it was before he came back. I am not sure though |
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Forlong


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Posted: August 29, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you, HP_Chick. Harry's not going to die in book 7. "One can not live while the other survives." That means one of them has to die. Both dying just won't work. _________________
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Snapes_Angel2

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Posted: August 30, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Just because the prophecy states that "One can not live while the other survives" doesn't mean that only one of them can die. If neither of them died than they would be stuck fighting with each other until one of them got too tired and slipped up, than the other would be able to take the advantage, thus killing the other.
If they battle and Voldemort severly wounds Harry, so much so that he will die before anyone can help him, but Harry is still able to kill Voldemort than the end result is that both of them are dead. There is a possibilty that they could both die, no matter what the prophecy states. _________________ "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!"
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Forlong


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Posted: September 2, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hold on. You guys are assuming that, because some people will pay the ultimate price, one of them will be Harry. Why wouldn't it be Ron? Or Ginny? Or Hermione? _________________
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Snapes_Angel2

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Posted: September 2, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Hold on. You guys are assuming that, because some people will pay the ultimate price, one of them will be Harry. Why wouldn't it be Ron? Or Ginny? Or Hermione? |
The reason we're talking about Harry dying is because the thread is titled "Can Harry really die?". We don't neccassarily assume that he is going to die, but we are discussing the possibility. In theory it could Ron, Ginny, or Hermione that pay the ultimate price, but for the sake of this thread its about Harry. _________________ "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!"
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Siddhu


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Posted: September 3, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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If Harry dies, it will not be because of the "connection". As I said, we don't know if the connection is that strong. And as for the Prophecy, Harry dying along with Voldemort is only a possibility, not a certainty. Harry might survive, or he might die. Either event is possible. It's up to J.K.R to decide. _________________ Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
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Kharina

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Posted: September 3, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Can Harry really Die? |
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| HP_Chick wrote: |
| Everyone I have talked to thinks that Harry will die. Why would Jk Rowling kill him off? I think he will live. No one who has a heart would kill Harry off. It would be the sadest thing ever if he ends up dying!!!! SO what do you think? Will he die or Voldamort? |
So, because it would be very sad if Harry died, that means he can't? Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in real life. And it obviously doesn't work that way in HP either, as it was very sad for Sirius, Dumbledore, Harry's parents etc. to die, but they still did.
I think, depending on who else dies, it actually might be kinder to kill Harry off. Which is worse, he dies, or all his friends die in the final battle and he is completely alone for the rest of his life? but again, how kind it is is not the issue.
I think Harry will die. Either that or something else bad will happen to him. I can't imagine JKR going for a happily-ever-after ending. Nor do I imagine her bringing Harry all this way to fail- I think he will destroy Voldemort, but die in the process, or be killed after killing Voldemort. |
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Forlong


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Posted: September 3, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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It is possible to have a happy ending while making it seem impossible beforehand. It's hard to do, but this is J.K. Rowling we're talking about. _________________
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Forlong


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Posted: September 3, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Just found this out. It seems that J.K. Rowling may have, unwittingly, given a hint to wiether or not Harry will live.
When asked which five of her characters she'd invite to dinner, she said Harry, Ron, and Hermione but hessitated before saying the other two.
"...I know who lives and dies, you see," she said (not knowing if she could invite "dead" people).
This hints that the three of them will survive. Of course, you can still say that it doesn't mean any of this. We'll see who's right next year. _________________
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Ravenwood


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Posted: September 8, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Naturally we don't want Harry to die, but I suppose he COULD. I don't see it possible that she would kill Harry and NOT Voldemort, however, as it would seem rather pointless to go through all of this and end with the side of evil winning the war. What kind of lesson is that? Certainly one of apparent truth, but it sort of negates all the lessons of hope she's placed throughout the books. I don't see Harry surviving this whole thing and remaining the Harry we know and love. _________________ "Wow, I wonder what it'd be like to have a difficult life," said Harry sarcastically. |
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Forlong


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Posted: September 8, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I think Ginny will play a major role in the killing of Voldemort. I think she'll use a powerful spell to restrain Voldemort, giving Harry a shot to use the Avada Kadavra. _________________
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HP_Chick


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Posted: September 10, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with the ginny thing but do you really think Harry will use the Avada Kadavra curse. I don't know but that doesn't sound like Harry. Of course it is Valdamort. So I am not sure about that. |
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Ravenwood


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Posted: September 11, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I read an essay on the Lexicon a few days ago that made me sort of think about this. The writer was talking about how often a device or spell or potion is used by Harry and the good guys, and then later on, the bad guys use it. It makes me wonder if it works the other way around? Would Harry actually use the AK to kill Voldemort? I doubt it, personally. A recurring theme in the books is love, about how much Harry's mother loved him, about the love that is stored in his blood because of Lily's sacrifice, and how much love exists between Harry and his friends. How can someone who is so closely identified with love use a curse that demands absolute hatred for the target? I understand Harry hates Voldemort, but would he ever be able to conjure up enough hatred for that task? If you really want to kill Voldy, you should cuddle him to death. *laughs* _________________ "Wow, I wonder what it'd be like to have a difficult life," said Harry sarcastically. |
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Posted: September 11, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| HP_Chick wrote: |
| I agree with the ginny thing but do you really think Harry will use the Avada Kadavra curse. I don't know but that doesn't sound like Harry. Of course it is Valdamort. So I am not sure about that. |
Harry's used the Carcatus curse (Corcio). Knowing Voldemort is going to kill everyone he cares for will push Harry into using it, I think. _________________
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Ravenwood


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Posted: September 11, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Harry has tried to use the Cruciatus Curse and failed, and Bellatrix told him you really have to mean it when you use an Unforgiveable. I just don't think Harry has enough hate in him to use the Cruciatus or the Avada Kedavra. Besides, what good could possibly be conveyed to young readers of this series if Harry is using the same weapon the enemy is using? It would be the Muggle equivalent of stealing the bad guy's gun and blowing his head off with it. Just doesn't seem right to me. Totally my opinion, though. _________________ "Wow, I wonder what it'd be like to have a difficult life," said Harry sarcastically. |
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relyn


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Posted: September 13, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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I agree, though. Harry might be really emo and PO-ed when it comes to Snape and Voldemort, but I don't think he has it in him to use the Avada Kedavra, seeing as he failed at the Cruciatus, which probably needed less hate to be used.
But I don't think he'll die either. Nor will he have a perfect happily-ever-after. Voldemort will die and the other DE's dealt with appropriately, but the Order's bound to suffer from losses as well.
Harry will live, because JKR will use him to show how he deals with the grief and such, etc. Just like with Sirius. And maybe Dumbledore, in book 7. _________________ I was born intellligent, but education ruined me.
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wish i was ginny


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Posted: October 1, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| all i hope is that harry doesnt die... voldemort deserves to die. i have a feeling that neither will die in the end. this may sound stupid but i actually think that they will have a civilised conversation but voldemort will keep on trying to kill harry but he wont succeeded. |
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Rorschach


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Posted: October 1, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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It can go either way. He has a 50% chance of dying and a 50% of making out alive. _________________
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Forlong


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Posted: October 1, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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If Voldy kills Harry, he's as good as dead, since he'll have a POed Ginny going after him. _________________
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HarryPotterFreak101

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Posted: October 22, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Snapes_Angel2 wrote: |
| I think that if Rowling decides to kill Harry in the 7th book that she'll kill Voldemort as well. I don't think that she would kill the hero of the book without getting rid of the leader of the dark side. This story is a good defeats evil story, so it would be completely insane to allow Voldemort to live if Harry dies. |
ya i agree _________________
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