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Posts: 764 · Posted: March 6, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject:

Excellent Theory, Paintball.

I agree that Snape seemed *odd* when answering the door to Narcissa; I assumed that there was some past *history* or feelings between the two.

What does perplex me, is how did Narcissa know her way to Spinners End, in the dark, without a map? It alludes to the fact, that she could find her way there from memory, because she'd been there many times before? How does that fit with the theory?

Why was Dumbledore there on the very night Narcissa choose to break her *loyalty* as such to Voldemort? I sincerely hope that the Malfoys as a family, betray or turn on Voldemort, so I love the theory.

** off to ponder some more***
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I accept this theory and think that it puts a hold different spin on HBP. Razz

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I wonder if J.K Rowling would laugh or not...
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Posts: 764 · Posted: March 19, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject:

JKR on Dumbledore

What form does Dumbledore’s Patronus take?

Good question. Can anyone guess? You have had a clue. There was a little whisper there. It is a phoenix, which is very representative of Dumbledore for reasons that I am sure you can guess.
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Posts: 326 · Posted: March 20, 2007 8:26 am Post subject:

i just really like this thoery. It makes sense and it explains a lot of things I wanted answers. I think some people don't believe it because they don't understand DD.

They don't trust his judement when it comes to Snape
And they don't think that he would be able to think on his feet at a given moment.
Even if Snape had a realtionship with Cissy at one point that doesn't mean anything. He is s man afterall, he is expected to have relationships. Althouh i don't believe he did now, i don't see how that makes this theory a problem.
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ThE_DaRk_MaRk wrote:

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i think snape is a good person he is risking his life by lying to the Dark Lord.

i believe dumbledore asked snape to kill him instead of draco as draco has never killed b4. and also the unbreakable vow would have made things difficult dumbledore knew this and had 2 forulate a plan dubledore knew his time was up and sacrificed himself 4 the good of harry and the order

just my thoughts tho...
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The posting on this thread has really come to a stop since it was moved out of the Theory section because of the poll. The poll results have been stuck on 50/50 for some time now. I wish we could get at least 1 more vote to break the tie. Since I have totally accepted DIATSSISE as the answer to Snape's loyality and the tower scene, I wonder if the true ratio of believers to dis-believers really is 50/50. My guess is that the true ratio is a lot lower then this and the believers are really a small minority, but I have no way of knowing.

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Everything explained now!!!Awesome theory, really!!! Very Happy

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I have now posted the most comprehensive explanation of the DIATSSISE theory anywhere on the internet. http://www.diatssise.com/. Please read this comprehensive essay and then vote. Maybe we can break the tie. If you have any questions let me know. I can't visit every Harry Potter site discussing the DIATSSISE theory, so I'm trying to decide which site I'm going to link on the DIATSSISE site to refer visitors to discuss my theories. Thinking

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This is a well-thought theory and very convincing. The logic all makes sense

Posts: 113 · Posted: July 14, 2007 9:59 am Post subject:

That is a brilliant theory. I am very confident in this one.
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Ha! Well a very good theory. I have always thought Snape was trustworthy. I think Snape can be on the good side without the DD switch at Spinners End, but it would not surprise me at all if that turned out to be the case.

From here, there is the possibility that Snape will go either way: here is why:

So when Snape killed DD (which was planned ahead of time - whether or not DD was Snape at Spinner's end - but let's say he was) it was with the very thought that it would be done in such a way that would make EVERYONE, evil minions, the dark lord and the Order ALL believe that Snape was evil. Note that it would be most difficult to convince the DE's and the Order and this was taken care of through the killing and all the set up that had happened before.

What absolutely swung the Snape-Dumbles connection for me was at the killing.

Dumbles was going to be killed by DE's or Greyback if Draco didn't do it. When Snape comes along, Dumbles pleas with Snape. Why would he plea for his life? Even if Snape said, 'well okay', the other DE's would have taken both Snape and Dumbles out anyway. The only possible sense one can make of it - Snape's hesitation - Dumble's plea - is for Dumbles to be pleaing with Snape to continue on with their plan of Snape killing him.

So what is the plan? Obviously for Snape to now be able to enter into Voldy's lair and for all practical purposes appear to be faithful to the dark lord. But I do not think the plan ends there by any means. We know that the Phoenix is the mythical creature that "pierces the veil between life and death" so we can be pretty certain that Dumbles is at the moment somewhere between life and death all tied up with his faithful pheonix. There is much more to the plan, but I haven't really any firm ideas on what all it will entail...lots of twists and turns I am sure.

Snape it would appear, did not have a whole lot of faith in that mythology, thus his reluctance to go with Dumbles plan. But he did in the end. Snape wants Voldemort dead, however, Snape really does HATE all four Marauders (yes even Lupin, although Lupin by his character would have allowed for a truce). By transference, Snape has a hell of a lot of Hatred for Harry who he knows must be the one to kill the dark lord.

Now taking all that was said into account in the last paragraph above, we have a very cool situation on our hands. Snape must continue to 'go along with the plan' and he will UNLESS he must make a choice between something that is equal in porportion to his desire to have Voldemort dead that causes him to give up that desire.

What is that? Vengence for all of the pain that the Marauders and Harry have caused him. It would seem like a little thing - but to Snape it is not. He already showed that he was willing to chuck part of the plan over the issue (refusing further Occulmency lessons to Harry). It was also not part of the plan that he stand whipping Harry in HBP in the chase scene. He allowed his emotions to get the better of him and the plan slipped his mind.

He did NOT allow DE's to kill Harry in that same scene, his mind snapping back to reality a bit. However I totally see it as a possiblilty in the future that he is worn down over the issue enough to where he ends up letting go of the plan altogether. Thus, while at the moment he is on Dumble's side that could change to his being, really, on his own side and that could work in Voldy's favor.

Or he could retain his desire to rid the wizard world of Voldy and remain loyal to DD.

What may help Snape retain his loyalty to DD over his own personal feelings is that some members of the Order will regain a trust in him. For one, Lupin will likely do so, even though Snape hates Lupin more or less and Lupin is not particularly fond of Snape. Here is why:

After finding out about DD's death and having his little breakdown, Lupin says: (Harshly) well we always knew that Snape was a highly accomplished Occulmens - AND then he is incredulous when Harry says that DD believed Snape because Snape was sorry James was dead, because he knew how much Snape hated James. The fact that Lupin is incredulous will likely mean that he will come around to trusting Snape again in DH. It will end up making no sense to him that DD would not take Snape's hatred for James into consideration.

DD would definitely want EVERYONE to believe Snape evil at first. But there will come a time when a trust in Snape will be necessary for the plan to finish up. I think DD knew this and knew that certain people (Lupin, Minerva and possibly others) would be able to do so. I have very good reasons for this, but this post is already too long. lol.

Posts: 105 · Posted: July 15, 2007 12:59 am Post subject:

why are all your theories so long
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impressive
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short theories generally have no backbone and are swatted aside as having no proof.

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If this theory isn't true i think i will actually be very disappointed in dumbledore. I always viewed him as a constant all-knowing wise source of information. He always knew what whas going on. "[Dumbledore]...doesn't miss a trick, that man,..." and for him to completely misjudge Snape would be shocking...I know a lot of people say it's because he's too trusting and nice, but I think he knew what was going on. I"m going to have to go back and re-read those passages where Snape "isn't snape".
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If this theory isn't true i think i will actually be very disappointed in dumbledore. I always viewed him as a constant all-knowing wise source of information. He always knew what whas going on. "[Dumbledore]...doesn't miss a trick, that man,..." and for him to completely misjudge Snape would be shocking...I know a lot of people say it's because he's too trusting and nice, but I think he knew what was going on. I"m going to have to go back and re-read those passages where Snape "isn't snape".
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Hats Off To You!!
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