There's so many things wrong with your post, but instead of refuting them all one by one I'll just talk the pretext.
The "Average American" does not make 52,000 a year. The median income per HOUSEHOLD is $50,000, a rise of 1.3% but with inflation at 6% that's a net decrease of 5%. So yeah, it's getting harder for Americans. Women, in fact, average only $35,000 a year.
In fact, almost 50% of Americans earn less than $40,000.
I'm sorry, I am referring to the HOUSEHOLD income, not the income of each individual. I should have made that clear in the beginning. And you're right, I made a mistake on the amount. The median household income is 50,233 a year.
The household income is what determines how the people in that home live. If the household income is 50,000 a year, that is what the family will live off of. That's not living poor, with or without inflation at 6%.
Like I said before, I'm not saying we have a booming economy, I'm not even saying that we have a good economy. I'm simply saying that SimplyJust was wrong when she said that the "average American" is living near poverty and struggling to make it pay check to pay check. It's simply not true. I'm just getting sick of people making things up, and stating them as fact. _________________ "Enter, stranger, but take heed
Of what awaits the sin of greed,
For those who take, but do not earn
Must pay most dearly in their turn."
There's so many things wrong with your post, but instead of refuting them all one by one I'll just talk the pretext.
The "Average American" does not make 52,000 a year. The median income per HOUSEHOLD is $50,000, a rise of 1.3% but with inflation at 6% that's a net decrease of 5%. So yeah, it's getting harder for Americans. Women, in fact, average only $35,000 a year.
In fact, almost 50% of Americans earn less than $40,000.
I'm sorry, I am referring to the HOUSEHOLD income, not the income of each individual. I should have made that clear in the beginning. And you're right, I made a mistake on the amount. The median household income is 50,233 a year.
The household income is what determines how the people in that home live. If the household income is 50,000 a year, that is what the family will live off of. That's not living poor, with or without inflation at 6%.
Like I said before, I'm not saying we have a booming economy, I'm not even saying that we have a good economy. I'm simply saying that SimplyJust was wrong when she said that the "average American" is living near poverty and struggling to make it pay check to pay check. It's simply not true. I'm just getting sick of people making things up, and stating them as fact.
When the unemployment rate goes up, the annual income of the "average American" goes down. Unemployment is actually HIGHER than that of the Great Depression. I can't remember where I found that information but I would be more than happy to post the link to it if someone knows what I'm talking about here and knows where to find it. I'm not making anything up, Anyia.
And the name's Simmy, thank you. _________________ Yas and Simmy - Putting Luna on catwalks since 2008!
There's so many things wrong with your post, but instead of refuting them all one by one I'll just talk the pretext.
The "Average American" does not make 52,000 a year. The median income per HOUSEHOLD is $50,000, a rise of 1.3% but with inflation at 6% that's a net decrease of 5%. So yeah, it's getting harder for Americans. Women, in fact, average only $35,000 a year.
In fact, almost 50% of Americans earn less than $40,000.
I'm sorry, I am referring to the HOUSEHOLD income, not the income of each individual. I should have made that clear in the beginning. And you're right, I made a mistake on the amount. The median household income is 50,233 a year.
The household income is what determines how the people in that home live. If the household income is 50,000 a year, that is what the family will live off of. That's not living poor, with or without inflation at 6%.
Like I said before, I'm not saying we have a booming economy, I'm not even saying that we have a good economy. I'm simply saying that SimplyJust was wrong when she said that the "average American" is living near poverty and struggling to make it pay check to pay check. It's simply not true. I'm just getting sick of people making things up, and stating them as fact.
When the unemployment rate goes up, the annual income of the "average American" goes down. Unemployment is actually HIGHER than that of the Great Depression. I can't remember where I found that information but I would be more than happy to post the link to it if someone knows what I'm talking about here and knows where to find it. I'm not making anything up, Anyia.
And the name's Simmy, thank you.
The average household income in the United States is 50,233 dollars a year. That is a fact.
Here's some info on the unemployment rate during the Great Depression
Whoever you got your information from was way off. _________________ "Enter, stranger, but take heed
Of what awaits the sin of greed,
For those who take, but do not earn
Must pay most dearly in their turn."
I think you need to stop watching Desperate Housewives if you don't think a family living on 50,000 a year or a women or single mother living on 30,000 can be struggling. _________________
I've actually never seen Desperate Housewives. It looks like a rather stupid show to me. You're not very good at your assumptions. _________________ "Enter, stranger, but take heed
Of what awaits the sin of greed,
For those who take, but do not earn
Must pay most dearly in their turn."
Regardless of what you watch, you've shown you don't quite understand how much $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 is. You first assumed that the average American was living on $50,000 which you thought was comfortable but the average pay for men is somewhere in the low 40's and in the 30's for women.
Every time you say that that's not struggling I chuckle a little and then feel somewhat depressed that there are probably quite a number of people like who don't actually understand that $50,000 for a mum, dad and kids is really not much. _________________
I used to watch The Real Housewives of Orange County. It was awful because most of them werent' even housewives. The word housewife makes me cringe, to be honest. Anyway, in the first episode I remember one of the wives talking about her SUV. She said that it didn't matter what the price of gas goes up to, she would always be willing to pay it. That sort of thinking is great if you have the money, but for the rest of us, it's that sort of thinking that is making it harder and harder for us to be able to afford anything. Without the rest of the country's help, then we are alone in our struggle to be able to live safely. Minumum wage is not enough to live off of. To live "within our means" for some people is a cardboard box on the street. Some people need help to get their acts together. It's pretty difficult to get the help we need when everyone who could help us, turns their nose up at us. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
I'm not saying Americans don't have it tough, but the rest of the world cringes when you talk about gas prices. America has some of the lowest gas prices in the developed world, if not the whole world. Europe pays twice as much for gas and Asia about 75% more. America also has the highest rates of SUV ownership in the world.
You're right in saying that most people don't, and they really don't deserve to pay higher gas prices to subsidise the SUV drivers etc. but even for regular people American gas prices are still ridiculously subsidised not only by other countries but the blood of thousands of your soldiers.
What I mean is, there are some people who don't have to worry about money because they have so much of it. To them it's just not something they worry about. And it's disheartening that others have to scrimp and pinch and "live within their means" while others toss it around on things they don't need. Does anyone really need 13 cars and $800 suits? It's great that they can afford it and they should be proud that they can pay for it, but is there ever a point when it becomes selfish and self-centered? _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
Sure there's a point, but economies around the world are measured in terms of how much stuff people buy. The more you buy the better you are. That translates on a personal level as well with the cult of consumerism that has been in power in the US and most developed countries off and on but pretty much on non-stop since the end of the second World War.
Until people get over the idea that money is good, therefore amassing more and more money is better then nothing's going to change and the boom-bust cycle and wine-glass model of wealth distribution will continue. _________________
Regardless of what you watch, you've shown you don't quite understand how much $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 is. You first assumed that the average American was living on $50,000 which you thought was comfortable but the average pay for men is somewhere in the low 40's and in the 30's for women.
Every time you say that that's not struggling I chuckle a little and then feel somewhat depressed that there are probably quite a number of people like who don't actually understand that $50,000 for a mum, dad and kids is really not much.
Yes, I did say that 50,000 is the average household income in America, and I was right. And yes I do understand how much money that is. I am a mother, and my husband and I are raising our family on much less than 50,000 a year. Again you, assume to know something about me, and are completely wrong. If my family had an income of 50,000 a year, I would be ecstatic. I'm not saying that it's living rich, I'm just saying it's not the struggle that some people here are trying to make it sound like. _________________ "Enter, stranger, but take heed
Of what awaits the sin of greed,
For those who take, but do not earn
Must pay most dearly in their turn."
Regardless of what you watch, you've shown you don't quite understand how much $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 is. You first assumed that the average American was living on $50,000 which you thought was comfortable but the average pay for men is somewhere in the low 40's and in the 30's for women.
Every time you say that that's not struggling I chuckle a little and then feel somewhat depressed that there are probably quite a number of people like who don't actually understand that $50,000 for a mum, dad and kids is really not much.
Yes, I did say that 50,000 is the average household income in America, and I was right. And yes I do understand how much money that is. I am a mother, and my husband and I are raising our family on much less than 50,000 a year. Again you, assume to know something about me, and are completely wrong. If my family had an income of 50,000 a year, I would be ecstatic. I'm not saying that it's living rich, I'm just saying it's not the struggle that some people here are trying to make it sound like.
Well then, you of all people should know why McCain would be a bad choice for president.
I know I may only be 18, have the status of single when it comes to tax-forms, and do not have children. But I am a hard-working individual, who attends college and pays closer attention than any other "new adult" my age (that I know) to what's going on in the world. And I know that McCain is a horrible choice. _________________ Yas and Simmy - Putting Luna on catwalks since 2008!
Yes, I did say that 50,000 is the average household income in America, and I was right. And yes I do understand how much money that is. I am a mother, and my husband and I are raising our family on much less than 50,000 a year. Again you, assume to know something about me, and are completely wrong. If my family had an income of 50,000 a year, I would be ecstatic. I'm not saying that it's living rich, I'm just saying it's not the struggle that some people here are trying to make it sound like.
It doesn't sound like you have a life anywhere close to the people McCain caters to. You ARE struggling, how can you not realize it? Everyone should be able to live comfortably.
It has nothing to do with not managing your money well. People are getting laid off left, right and center and the economy is tanking. The average american IS struggling, and McCain would only shoot it in the foot. _________________ Here's How!|Graphics
I do realize that I'm struggling, I never said that I'm not. I said that the "average American" is not struggling. I never claimed to be the "average American".
It has nothing to do with who McCain or Obama cater to. McCain doesn't cater to the wealthy, he just holds the Republican party's belief that if businesses do well the economy does well, and I agree with that.
Those who are making the average income in the United States can live comfortable if they live within their means. I'm not saying that the economy doesn't have problems. I'm saying that on average, people are not living near poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.
I know that there are people who are struggling very hard to live paycheck to paycheck, I'm one of those people. But I also know that it's not the fault of the government that I'm struggling the way that I am, and to tell you quite honestly, my situation will most likely remain the same no matter who the President is. _________________ "Enter, stranger, but take heed
Of what awaits the sin of greed,
For those who take, but do not earn
Must pay most dearly in their turn."
I do realize that I'm struggling, I never said that I'm not. I said that the "average American" is not struggling. I never claimed to be the "average American".
Except that you earn less than 50,000 a year and so does the average American? But clearly you're struggling but no regular Americans aren't allowed too?
I always find it ironic that the working class and even white-collar workers who don't really earn a lot of money flock to parties whose track records are against workers rights and against increasing the standards of living for most people. _________________
I do realize that I'm struggling, I never said that I'm not. I said that the "average American" is not struggling. I never claimed to be the "average American".
Except that you earn less than 50,000 a year and so does the average American? But clearly you're struggling but no regular Americans aren't allowed too?
I always find it ironic that the working class and even white-collar workers who don't really earn a lot of money flock to parties whose track records are against workers rights and against increasing the standards of living for most people.
You keep saying that the average American makes less than 50,000 dollars a year. You're wrong. It is a fact that the average household income in the United States is 50,233 dollars a year.
I'm not saying that others can't be struggling, I'm just saying that those who are struggling in America are not the majority. It is a fact.
What does your candidate plan to do about "workers rights"? _________________ "Enter, stranger, but take heed
Of what awaits the sin of greed,
For those who take, but do not earn
Must pay most dearly in their turn."
You keep saying that the average American makes less than 50,000 dollars a year. You're wrong. It is a fact that the average household income in the United States is 50,233 dollars a year.
Sigh. "Household" does not equal "average American". And the "average" income is not $50K, that's the median.
The median wage for men is $40~ and for women $30~. I said that all before.
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It is a fact.
Your track record on "facts" hasn't been particularly good in this discussion so far, I wouldn't be playing the fact card too much.
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What does your candidate plan to do about "workers rights"?
Hmm maybe start by restoring the balance in the extremely skewed US industrial relations system?
Restoring right to unionize without being discriminated against.
Allow collective bargaining.
Universal healthcare.
Give workers the options to diversify their pension savings (401K's).
Stop ridiculous outsourcing to developing countries to prop up massive salaries for the CEO's, laying off US workers and enjoying ridiculous tax breaks.
Increase the rights of workers (such as privacy) in the workplace.
Obama and McCain stand for none of those things. And it's sad that the American people are again being hoodwinked into thinking that either of the major candidates actually cares about them or has the political will to do something for them. I'm not sure how one could argue against any of those points yet none of them are in the Republican or Democrat policy platforms. _________________
Obama and McCain stand for none of those things. And it's sad that the American people are again being hoodwinked into thinking that either of the major candidates actually cares about them or has the political will to do something for them. I'm not sure how one could argue against any of those points yet none of them are in the Republican or Democrat policy platforms.
Did you watch the debates at all? Obama quite clearly stated that he was for many of those things.
And please, not all of us are being "hoodwinked." That is so lame that you would actually generalize an entire country... I must have read that wrong because for a second there it sounded like you bashed every single citizen in my entire country. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
Would you like to point out where those policies are on Obama's website?
I'm not sure why you think being "hoodwinked" by slimy politicians and the media = "bashing every single American". It's hardly your fault you have pathetic choices and disturbing misrepresentations.
But if you really want to talk about faults, it WAS the Americans who voted Bush into office twice and it WAS the Americans who Republicans control of the legislature for 10 out of the last 12 years.
However you're correct. Not all of you are, just the 92% or so who continue to vote for the elephant and the donkey. _________________
Would you like to point out where those policies are on Obama's website?
I'm not sure why you think being "hoodwinked" by slimy politicians and the media = "bashing every single American". It's hardly your fault you have pathetic choices and disturbing misrepresentations.
But if you really want to talk about faults, it WAS the Americans who voted Bush into office twice and it WAS the Americans who Republicans control of the legislature for 10 out of the last 12 years.
However you're correct. Not all of you are, just the 92% or so who continue to vote for the elephant and the donkey.
Is it so bad to want to vote for the donkey? I think that animal is quite alright! _________________ Yas and Simmy - Putting Luna on catwalks since 2008!
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That is so lame that you would actually generalize an entire country... I must have read that wrong because for a second there it sounded like you bashed every single citizen in my entire country.