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I think he should've lived, but then again, Harry wouldn't have had a first kiss so suddenly then.
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I know that Cedric needed to die to show Voldys terror but the thing i dnt understand is that, Pettigrew isnt a very powerful wizard. I mean surely if someone was ordered to kill you, you would fight back. Wormtail just killed him without Cedric even fighting back :S
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Also, Cedric needed to die, as nobody believed Harry that Voldemort had come back. If Cedric was alive, there would have been proof from him.
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| Also, Cedric needed to die, as nobody believed Harry that Voldemort had come back. If Cedric was alive, there would have been proof from him. |
Good point, didn't think of that.
Unless they put a memory charm on him, but whats the point when they can kill whoever they want :@
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| MichaelCorner wrote: |
| I know that Cedric needed to die to show Voldys terror but the thing i dnt understand is that, Pettigrew isnt a very powerful wizard. I mean surely if someone was ordered to kill you, you would fight back. Wormtail just killed him without Cedric even fighting back :S |
Cedric was taken completely by surprise. There was no time to react. Besides, there is no magical defense against the Killing Curse.
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MichaelCorner
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| MichaelCorner wrote: |
| I know that Cedric needed to die to show Voldys terror but the thing i dnt understand is that, Pettigrew isnt a very powerful wizard. I mean surely if someone was ordered to kill you, you would fight back. Wormtail just killed him without Cedric even fighting back :S |
Cedric was taken completely by surprise. There was no time to react. Besides, there is no magical defense against the Killing Curse. |
I thought he had his wand out and he could have used a stun or a disarming spell before the curse was cast, i am only reading it for the third time at the moment and can't remember exactly what happened at the end...
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| I agree that he did need to die as it was essential to the plot, the one thing which was weird was that it was Wormtail that actually killed Cedric but at his funeral Dumbledore says that it was Voldermort that performed the curse..... |
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| Posted: September 25, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Cedric- Did he have to die? |
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| Many people think that Cedric Diggory's death was unneccesary. Vote here and tell me what you think. |
It doesn't have to have a reason. It's the author's choice.
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I say No
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| MichaelCorner wrote: |
| I know that Cedric needed to die to show Voldys terror but the thing i dnt understand is that, Pettigrew isnt a very powerful wizard. I mean surely if someone was ordered to kill you, you would fight back. Wormtail just killed him without Cedric even fighting back :S |
Cedric was taken completely by surprise. There was no time to react. Besides, there is no magical defense against the Killing Curse. |
I thought he had his wand out and he could have used a stun or a disarming spell before the curse was cast, i am only reading it for the third time at the moment and can't remember exactly what happened at the end... |
There is no defense against the Killing Curse. Cedric had his wand out, but he didn't even know who it was or what was going on. It wasn't like someone was holding a gun out to them and they could see. They were both "squinting in the darkness." (GoF pg637; US paperback)
Cedric didn't know what was happening or who it was in the darkness. How should Cedric know that he was going to be attacked by a Death Eater? He should stun the first random person he sees without even knowing who he was seeing or without even knowing he was even in danger?
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| necessary, shows voldemort's cruelty perfectly, it would not make sense that if cedric went with harry to the graveyard that he would come back alive |
yeah, the factthat he was able to justorder Wormtail to "kill the spare" set us up for the rest of the series... Voldemort doesn't care wh he takes down in his path to get to Harry. |
Yeah i agree with the above. It shows how much he doesn't care about others and what he will do just to get to Harry.Also i think he had to go becuase him and Harry couldn't of both come back clutching the Tri wizard Trophy. But i think its more for the reasons of what i have said first. |
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| I know that Cedric needed to die to show Voldys terror but the thing i dnt understand is that, Pettigrew isnt a very powerful wizard. I mean surely if someone was ordered to kill you, you would fight back. Wormtail just killed him without Cedric even fighting back :S |
Imagine you were 14 and in a situation like that? Would you have time to think:"Kill the spare? wtf?" while you are confused:"What is this place?"
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I still don't fully understand the sequence of Cedric's murder.
- A voice says "Kill the spare." Since this is given as an order, we assume it's Voldemort.
- A voice says "Avada Kedavra", and Cedric dies. This could be Wormtail (using Voldemort's wand?!). Or, maybe it is Voldemort, after all, and he just likes to talk to himself.
- Later, during the Priori Incantatum, the echo-of-Cedric popped out of Voldemort's wand, so it was definitely this wand that did the deed.
- We know Pettigrew has his own wand during Goblet, e.g. he and Young Barty were able to tag-team Alastor Moody into submission (which also implies that he can Apparate around). He definitely has one during DH, which Ron takes from him in Malfoy's basement.
So: Wormtail borrowed Voldemort's wand to murder Cedric? Seems weird -- I thought Voldemort rather enjoyed doing that sort of stuff himself.
Getting weirder: Maybe Nagini said "Kill the spare"?  (In Parseltongue, of course -- but it's OK, Harry understands that)
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