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Post August 21st, 2008, 6:57 am

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How come all of a sudden people can just fly out of hogwarts.
Fred and George on brooms, D.A on thestrals.
I thought there were enchantments to stop people doing that.
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Post August 21st, 2008, 7:27 am

Maybe there were no teacher's around to stop them and they seemed pretty busy tryin to find out if the dark lord was back or not :lol: :lol: so no time to waste :D

I think stopping the dark lord is more important than tryin to stop kids from flying around...it was there duty...HAHAHA just adding my 2 cents in :D
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Post August 21st, 2008, 7:41 am

I'm not sure but dumbledore wasn't at the school at the time, and all the enchantments were his enchantments, so maybe a lot of them broke when he had to leave the school.
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Post August 21st, 2008, 12:25 pm

Re: Flying

MichaelCorner wrote:How come all of a sudden people can just fly out of hogwarts.
Fred and George on brooms, D.A on thestrals.
I thought there were enchantments to stop people doing that.


There is a very similar thread to this here...
http://www.potterforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=6903

See if any of that doesn't help you....


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Post August 21st, 2008, 12:26 pm

The enchantments don't require teachers or Dumbledore; they're set in place already. However, I think the enchantments only stop people from getting in, not from leaving.
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Post August 25th, 2008, 9:49 am

I thought it was to prevent students from Apparating and Disapparating?
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Post August 28th, 2008, 1:17 pm

Nah there was one that Dumbledor had to remove in HBP for him and harry to get backing into the grounds on brooms but ithink it lets you leave.
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Post August 28th, 2008, 7:54 pm

As DD and Harry were flying towrds the Dark Mark
HBP ch 27 pg 583 (US ed)

Dumbledore was undoing the enchantments he himself had set around the castle so they could enter at speed.


The "at speed part" made me think that people could always enter, but maybe not just at great speed.

Barty Crouch Sr was able to enter Hogwarts grounds in GoF. Sirius was able to enter the grounds, granted he was probably in dog form at the time.

And leaving was never a problem, Fred and George were able to do that in OotP, Harry and the rest of them were able to do that in PoA when they went through the passage... I'm sure there were enchantments up to help them, but I would think they would be purposely penetrable in case there were ever any emergencies.
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Post August 29th, 2008, 4:54 am

GinnyX wrote:As DD and Harry were flying towrds the Dark Mark
HBP ch 27 pg 583 (US ed)

Dumbledore was undoing the enchantments he himself had set around the castle so they could enter at speed.


The "at speed part" made me think that people could always enter, but maybe not just at great speed.

Barty Crouch Sr was able to enter Hogwarts grounds in GoF. Sirius was able to enter the grounds, granted he was probably in dog form at the time.

And leaving was never a problem, Fred and George were able to do that in OotP, Harry and the rest of them were able to do that in PoA when they went through the passage... I'm sure there were enchantments up to help them, but I would think they would be purposely penetrable in case there were ever any emergencies.


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Post September 20th, 2008, 4:05 pm

Re: Flying

MichaelCorner wrote:How come all of a sudden people can just fly out of hogwarts.
Fred and George on brooms, D.A on thestrals.
I thought there were enchantments to stop people doing that.


Probably some of the teachers undid the enchantments to let Fred and George out. I mean, they were together against Umbridge here, eh? :D
As for D.A, I have no idea :P
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Post October 18th, 2008, 8:22 pm

In PoA, Ron was complaining because Filch was using a secrecy sensor on all the students as they left the ground, saying "why would they want to stop people from smuggling stuff OUT?". I think I also remember somewhere saying that the protective enchantments around the castle prevented only that from coming in, not going out.
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Post March 16th, 2009, 5:58 am

Is this a mistake ? :
In the 4th movie, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Harry was running from the dragon, and (as you can see) he reach a roof of the school castle. Means, he flied in ! yeah, movie mistake ?
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Post August 11th, 2009, 10:49 am

DumbledoreJR wrote:Is this a mistake ? :
In the 4th movie, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Harry was running from the dragon, and (as you can see) he reach a roof of the school castle. Means, he flied in ! yeah, movie mistake ?
Must have been a mistake
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Post April 20th, 2011, 12:41 pm

Tokughavita wrote:In PoA, Ron was complaining because Filch was using a secrecy sensor on all the students as they left the ground, saying "why would they want to stop people from smuggling stuff OUT?". I think I also remember somewhere saying that the protective enchantments around the castle prevented only that from coming in, not going out.


That actually happened in HBP.
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Post April 20th, 2011, 2:22 pm

I always thought that too.
I figured that the protective enchantments only came out when Voldemort moved into the public ie. HBP.
I think this because in GOF Mr Weasley apparates straight into the burrow, whereas in later books he cant do that.
I know that no one can apparate or dissaparate in Hogwarts, but its still the same kind of thing.
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Post April 23rd, 2011, 3:25 pm

So, are you saying that a muggle could enter Hogwarths as long as Dumbledore is not around when he does?
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Post April 27th, 2011, 1:53 am

kwidditch wrote:The enchantments don't require teachers or Dumbledore; they're set in place already. However, I think the enchantments only stop people from getting in, not from leaving.

I agree. The enchantments are put in place to prevent anyone getting inside Hogwarts grounds. People may leave as they please, but they cannot return.
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Post April 27th, 2011, 4:52 am

Smallville Wizard wrote:So, are you saying that a muggle could enter Hogwarths as long as Dumbledore is not around when he does?


No.
When Muggles see Hogwarts they see a ruin that says 'dangerous - do not enter'. I also think that it may have muggle repelling charms around it.
Otherwise if a muggle happened to stumble upon Hogwarts, the whole statue of secruity would be shot to smithereens.
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Post April 29th, 2011, 6:06 am

MadamPince wrote:
Smallville Wizard wrote:So, are you saying that a muggle could enter Hogwarths as long as Dumbledore is not around when he does?


No.
When Muggles see Hogwarts they see a ruin that says 'dangerous - do not enter'. I also think that it may have muggle repelling charms around it.
Otherwise if a muggle happened to stumble upon Hogwarts, the whole statue of secruity would be shot to smithereens.


Then why doesn't the Anti-Flying Charm work if Dumbledore is not around?
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DumbledoreJR wrote:Is this a mistake ? :
In the 4th movie, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Harry was running from the dragon, and (as you can see) he reach a roof of the school castle. Means, he flied in ! yeah, movie mistake ?


Definite film inaccuracy.
As of last week, I now know GOF like the back of my hand as I had finished re-reading it. In the book Harry and the horntail do not leave the enclosure.

I see no reason for Hogwarts to care about keeping people in. If students want to drop that's their choice. It makes most sense to me that the enchantments repel the entrance of the unwanted, to protect the students(not that it worked a lot of the time hehe).

Think about it, the Death Eaters needed to enter the castle via the vanishing cabinet which Draco fixed. Sirius in POA, was in his animangus form and animals have always been free to come and go as they pleased, as every year the students bring in their pets; owls, cats etc, not to mention the owl post.
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Post May 1st, 2011, 11:43 pm

Cedricsgirl wrote:
DumbledoreJR wrote:Is this a mistake ? :
In the 4th movie, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Harry was running from the dragon, and (as you can see) he reach a roof of the school castle. Means, he flied in ! yeah, movie mistake ?


Definite film inaccuracy.
As of last week, I now know GOF like the back of my hand as I had finished re-reading it. In the book Harry and the horntail do not leave the enclosure.

I see no reason for Hogwarts to care about keeping people in. If students want to drop that's their choice. It makes most sense to me that the enchantments repel the entrance of the unwanted, to protect the students(not that it worked a lot of the time hehe).

Think about it, the Death Eaters needed to enter the castle via the vanishing cabinet which Draco fixed. Sirius in POA, was in his animangus form and animals have always been free to come and go as they pleased, as every year the students bring in their pets; owls, cats etc, not to mention the owl post.


Sirius actually entered through the passage that only the Marauders, Fred, George and Harry knew about (from Honeydukes). But yes, he was probably in his dog form at the time.
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Post May 3rd, 2011, 2:44 am

hayden_potter wrote:
Cedricsgirl wrote:
DumbledoreJR wrote:Is this a mistake ? :
In the 4th movie, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Harry was running from the dragon, and (as you can see) he reach a roof of the school castle. Means, he flied in ! yeah, movie mistake ?


Definite film inaccuracy.
As of last week, I now know GOF like the back of my hand as I had finished re-reading it. In the book Harry and the horntail do not leave the enclosure.

I see no reason for Hogwarts to care about keeping people in. If students want to drop that's their choice. It makes most sense to me that the enchantments repel the entrance of the unwanted, to protect the students(not that it worked a lot of the time hehe).

Think about it, the Death Eaters needed to enter the castle via the vanishing cabinet which Draco fixed. Sirius in POA, was in his animangus form and animals have always been free to come and go as they pleased, as every year the students bring in their pets; owls, cats etc, not to mention the owl post.


Sirius actually entered through the passage that only the Marauders, Fred, George and Harry knew about (from Honeydukes). But yes, he was probably in his dog form at the time.


True but as part of the grounds would this passage not also be effected by the enchantments? I guess not though if Fred and George have used it.
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Post August 17th, 2012, 8:20 pm

I always wondered why they could fly out, too...
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Post October 8th, 2012, 6:56 pm

I thought it was that you could not Apreiate (Sorry for spelling errors) out of hogwarts. Not that you couldn't fly out.
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Post January 14th, 2014, 9:25 pm

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DumbledoreJR wrote:Is this a mistake ? :
In the 4th movie, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Harry was running from the dragon, and (as you can see) he reach a roof of the school castle. Means, he flied in ! yeah, movie mistake ?

All he does in the book is fly above the dragon, he doesn't fly all over the school.

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