The Olympics are gay anyway, seriously. And yeah, China's censorship and human rights abuses are terrible but their air isn't going to be any worse than the air in most of America's big cities (imagine if we had the Olympics in Chicago, Detroit, or NYC and someone tried to argue that people wouldn't be able to "compete at their best" because of the pollution in the air, do you know how many retarded Americans would be absolutely outraged by this claim?).
It's true, China does have ridiculous amounts of censorship, and it's also true that they have obscene human rights abuses. But they're hardly a Communist state (they're moving more and more towards a free-market economy) and they're more of a Totalitarian state than anything else.
Quite frankly, America has plenty of its own human rights abuses (Guantanamo Bay?) and a shit load of other problems (like how, besides Turkey, we have more people than any other industrialized country that denies Evolution, not to mention our awesome ability to not mind our own business and instead try to get involved and set policy for every other country on Earth).
Sorry, but I find it stupid and hypocritical for the world to have an event like the Olympics where people can gather together for a little while to enjoy peaceful events. Y'know, for how gay and stupid I think the Olympics are (and I won't watch them this year either) I think it's cool that so many countries can actually set aside their differences for a few weeks and act like rational human beings. That is, with the exception of America and their ******** citizens who feel the need to go so far as to want to ****ing boycott the Olympics or complain about it all the time simply because it's held in a country that's our biggest competition.
Cry me a river.
P.S.:
The reason why 80% of Chinese are happy isn't because of bribes or fear, China isn't hell on earth as some people want you to believe. It's not perfect and I hate their censorship and human rights abuses but goddd, it's not the land of Satan like most Americans so ignorantly believe.
Someone on a forum I post on said that. And it's trueee. <.< _________________
The reason why 80% of Chinese are happy isn't because of bribes or fear, China isn't hell on earth as some people want you to believe. It's not perfect and I hate their censorship and human rights abuses but goddd, it's not the land of Satan like most Americans so ignorantly believe.
The reason why 80% of Chinese are happy isn't because of bribes or fear, China isn't hell on earth as some people want you to believe. It's not perfect and I hate their censorship and human rights abuses but goddd, it's not the land of Satan like most Americans so ignorantly believe.
I agree 100%
there are some good things about China. I would never visit it tho.
All i have to do is sneeze and then ill get a bag thrown over my head and thrown into a van. _________________
I Love Makenzie
I hate it when they tell us how far we came to be as if our peoples history started with slavery
the worst thing about it is that they try to cover EVERYTHING up.
when everyone knows it was the government who did it. _________________
I Love Makenzie
I hate it when they tell us how far we came to be as if our peoples history started with slavery
You just talk about China. China this..China that.
Why not other countries who hosted them?
Complaining about something doesn't make anyone racist. Being racist is about hating a certain race for stupid reasons such as superiority. _________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through Strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
Wrong. I'm going to give you a little bit of well needed education on political idealogy.
The left side of the graph is liberal - People for more fiscal responsibilities of government who support things like public education and healthcare.
The right side of the graph is conservative - People for less fiscal responsibilities of government who oppose things like public education and healthcare
The top of the graph is progressive - People who support human rights like free speech, and equal rights
The bottom of the graph is authoritative - People who oppose human rights like free speech and equal rights.
Communists are Liberal and Progressive. Totalitarians are Liberal and Authoritative. You see, what the Republican party has done for the past 60 years has been to take that graph and completely forget about the vertical scale. They completely ignore the difference between authoritative and progressive, and instead they just see liberal and conservative. By doing this, they equate the totalitarians who will commit geanocide (Stalinists in the 40s - 80s) with anybody with a liberal political idealogy, even though fiscal idealogy like liberalism or conservativism is independant of social idealogy. Hitler is proof enough that fiscal conservatives can commit geanocide and stand against human rights as well.
But I know you don't understand English very well, so in your terms - Mao and Stalin weren't communists, they were Totalitarians. Communists hold progressive social policies, not authoritative ones.
Edumacate yourself before opening your mouth again.
thats a load of bull crap... but if you base your theories of how the parties work cuz of that chart, your full of crap yourselves. that isnt even accurate. _________________
thats a load of bull crap... but if you base your theories of how the parties work cuz of that chart, your full of crap yourselves. that isnt even accurate.
the worst thing about it is that they try to cover EVERYTHING up.
when everyone knows it was the government who did it.
That sounds like a alot of country's governments, though.
Most countries aren't "perfect," not even to their people's standards.
To find the "perfect" country to hold the Olympics in would be like finding a Utopia, which just doesn't exist.
The Olympics has come to stand as a way for all the countries to come together, an attempt at putting aside our differences and fight for common goals.
It's sad to see we've lost sight of those ideals.
To deny the people of China the chance to hold the Olympics just because their government isn't perfect according to our standards, then that wouldn't be fair to the people of China. Every country should have a fair chance at holding the Olympics. w\We'd be arrogant to think they shouldn't be allowed just because we don't like their government. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
Care to elaborate? Probably not. You usually just start calling things bull crap, and never explain why or how - you just act as though your statement with or without (actually just without, because it's never with) supporting logic or evidence is absolute truth. It seems to have a lot to do with your inability to communicate in proper English.
Vasaver wrote:
but if you base your theories of how the parties work cuz of that chart, your full of crap yourselves. that isnt even accurate.
Again, care to elaborate? Want to explain what's wrong with the chart? It's the same chart that politicalcompass.org uses. _________________
I think you should all read this contraversial article..
Weasels bow to China's will
Andrew Bolt
August 1 Herald Sun
Spoiler:
WEASELS gave the Olympics to China's dictators - so how lovely to see this deal now backfiring on both.
And how especially nice to see the IOC's chief spokesweasel, our own unctuous Kevan Gosper, squirm as he tries to explain just how the IOC sold out even free speech.
Yes, explain again, Kevan, just why IOC officials secretly broke their word and let China censor the internet even for journalists covering the Games.
But let's first set the scene of the IOC's latest shame.
It was actually the whole pack of weasels at the International Olympic Committee who - undeterred by the lessons of the 1936 Berlin Games - decided seven years ago it was time for another totalitarian regime to exploit their brand. And so they handed the franchise for 2008 to China.
Why the Chinese regime wanted the world's greatest sports festival is clear.
It hasn't spent more than $40 billion on these Games and showpiece facilities just so we can all watch some athletes running around.
It instead plans to use this gigantic television stage to announce to the world the dawn of the new China Century - and to awe its subjects with the glory won by their unelected leaders, who have finally given their country a place in the sun.
But why the IOC handed over the Games to this celebration of totalitarian rule, and this resentful demand for status, is less clear.
Sure, the IOC is now wallowing in Chinese cash. But to name Beijing as host city ran counter to the IOC charter, which insists the goal of the Games "is to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of man, with a view to promoting a peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity".
Er, so that's why the IOC weasels gave it to China? A country with no free speech, no rule of law, no free elections and a habit of sponsoring tyrants in places such as Zimbabwe, Sudan and Burma?
Ah, good point. So some of the cleverer IOC weasels announced there was actually a cunning plan to this sell-out - one, pssst, that those dumb Chinese had surely not planned for.
Giving the Games to China would in fact help human rights, the IOC said. China would be forced to open up and be nice. I mean, those nice Chinese leaders have promised even to clean up Beijing's brown sky.
And, the IOC added triumphantly, China had specifically promised to let reporters go about their business with all the freedom and all the access they had at the Sydney and Athens Games.
To be precise, foreign reporters would be allowed to interview locals, cover protests and use the internet without any restrictions.
Even as recently as last month, the IOC's head weasel, Jacques Rogge, repeated the promise: "For the first time, foreign media will be able to report freely and publish their work freely in China. There will be no censorship on the internet."
Except, as Gosper on Wednesday admitted, even as Rogge spoke the IOC had secretly agreed to let the Chinese do the very opposite.
"I regret that it now appears BOCOG (the Beijing Organising Committee) has announced that there will be limitations on website access during Games time," Gosper conceded at a press conference.
"I also now understand that some IOC officials negotiated with the Chinese that some sensitive sites would be blocked on the basis they were not considered Games-related."
How "sensitive" does a site have to be to be banned to reporters in China, after "negotiation" with the IOC?
Check the list discovered so far by astonished reporters now in Beijing: banned are not only the websites of Amnesty International, the Falun Gong and Tibetan groups, but also those of the Voice of America, the BBC, Radio Free Asia, al-Jazeera and Deutsche Welle. Taiwanese papers cannot be called up either, and even access to Google.com and Wikipedia has been disrupted.
What's more, reporters using the internet from their hotels have learned that spyware has been installed to check where they've been.
Will the IOC now fight for the freedoms it so casually handed to China's grim keeping?
Fight? Hell, Gosper's already defaulted to the Chinese position: "My preoccupation now is to ensure there is no impediment to reporting the Games themselves."
Nor is this the only glib promise China will get away with breaking.
Those skies it would clean?
Still brown.
Those human rights it would improve? Local protesters have been bussed out of Beijing or jailed.
And that free access that journalists were promised? What a joke: Even film crews from the official broadcasters have been stopped by police from recording in public areas.
Reporters, meanwhile, need written permission to interview locals, and have been stopped by security officials from approaching residents with a gripe against officials. And broadcasting from Tiananmen Square, scene of the massacres, is banned from 11pm to 6am, and from 10am to 9pm.
It's restrictions like these that are educating tens of thousands of Western reporters and officials on the reality of communist China - that it really is a country that represents a threat to their freedoms.
Can this really be the message China intended? Given this privileged showcase to make the world warm to China, it's used it to warn us instead.
Already we've had China deploy blue-suited security thugs to run with the Olympic torch through our streets, reminding us of Chinese repression.
Already we've had the Chinese embassy in Canberra ship in pro-China demonstrators to intimidate human rights protesters during the torch relay, reminding us of China's arrogance and reach.
Next week come the Games themselves, so lavish, so decorated with trappings of China's new power, so prefaced with human-dwarfing ceremonies of mass power, that we will be awoken sharply to a rising might that will soon dominate our century.
In the meantime, we have the weasels of the IOC, showing this week how institutions we trust to spread Western values to a totalitarian regime, may in fact help instead to spread totalitarian values to the West.
And we have China showing it will respect no deal, no law, that threatens the power of its elite.
Watch these Games and be warned.
Basically, the Olympics is about everything that China isn't. All these new laws and regulations! ridiculous. And the money they have spent building the "cube" and "birds nest" is phenominol...
China is going to go into deep recession, and the rest of the world is following. _________________
fly birdie fly!
the worst thing about it is that they try to cover EVERYTHING up.
when everyone knows it was the government who did it.
That sounds like a alot of country's governments, though.
Most countries aren't "perfect," not even to their people's standards.
To find the "perfect" country to hold the Olympics in would be like finding a Utopia, which just doesn't exist.
The Olympics has come to stand as a way for all the countries to come together, an attempt at putting aside our differences and fight for common goals.
It's sad to see we've lost sight of those ideals.
To deny the people of China the chance to hold the Olympics just because their government isn't perfect according to our standards, then that wouldn't be fair to the people of China. Every country should have a fair chance at holding the Olympics. w\We'd be arrogant to think they shouldn't be allowed just because we don't like their government.
Now I know why you're a great mod. You actually explain things nicely. _________________ MERRYXMAS!!!
I'm sure everybody's heard by now about the Chinese gymnasts whose age have been called into question. I could tell from the start those girls weren't 16 and therefor should not have been able to compete. I read that just last year one of the gymanasts was called a "talented child prodigy" at age 14 I think. When the media tried to investigate the webpages those quotes could be found on, they were gone. And the IOC is refusing to further the investigation.
I'm sure everybody's heard by now about the Chinese gymnasts whose age have been called into question. I could tell from the start those girls weren't 16 and therefor should not have been able to compete. I read that just last year one of the gymanasts was called a "talented child prodigy" at age 14 I think. When the media tried to investigate the webpages those quotes could be found on, they were gone. And the IOC is refusing to further the investigation.
Yeah, I heard about that. I thought it was pretty awesome that someone so young could hold her own against older, more seasoned gymnasts. It's too bad that she allegedly shouldn't be allowed to compete.
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Three Chinese gymnasts may be too young for Olympics THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 15, 2008
BEIJING - The Chinese women's gymnastics team entered the Beijing Olympics hounded by allegations of using underage athletes.
Now, after beating the United States and capturing gold, there is a huge question mark surrounding the outcome of the competition and a dark cloud over the team.
The Associated Press found a report yesterday that claims one of China's gymnasts may be as young as 13, which is three years younger than the minimum age for gymnasts to compete in the Olympics.
In all, three Chinese gymnasts may not have been eligible.
Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won the gold medal.
In its report Nov. 3, Xinhua identified He as one of "10 big new stars" who made a splash at China's Cities Games. It gave her age as 13 and reported that she beat Yang Yilin on the uneven bars at those games. In the final, "this little girl" pulled off a difficult release move on the bars, Xinhua said in the report, which appeared on one of its Web sites, www.hb.xinhuanet.com. The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site and saved a copy of the page. Later yesterday afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.
If the age reported by Xinhua was correct, that would have meant He was too young to be on the team that clinched China's first women's team Olympic gold in gymnastics. He is also a favorite for gold in Monday's uneven bars final.
Yang was also on Wednesday's winning team. Questions have also been raised about her age and that of a third team member, Jiang Yuyuan.
Gymnasts have to be 16 during the Olympic year to be eligible for the games. He's birthday is listed as Jan. 1, 1992.
Chinese authorities insist all three are old enough to compete. The International Gymnastics Federation has said repeatedly that a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that He and China's other gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible.
i just wanted to add this: china was a bad choice because of not only the govt's total disregard for its people, but for its (for lack of a proper term) "civil war"
i think that some countries should not be allowed to host the Olympics because they are dangerous countries to be in today. nothing against its people but for an example... i am sure neverland is a blast but i would never send my son there for a weekend sleepover. or would you go skiing in Iraq or Afghanistan right now?
also i feel, that the Olympics don't get the respect that it deserves. the history of the Olympics and the whole point of the Olympics is to bring together the best of the best world athletes to compete. it is a peaceful venue. and to let it be hosted in a hostile situation like china right now is a disgrace for what it stands for.
the whole controversy with the stadium causing people to be driven from their homes should have been a red flag (no pun intended) and make china wait til it figures out its own problems first. pick the runner up... and put china back in the hat
thats my opinion. and i dont mean to offend anyone, just how i see it.
p.s. fm on yer chart... where, in your opinion would i be? i show no alliance to donkey or elephant.... you can even pm me if it would be considered off topic. im just curious where i fit in... and what it means. _________________
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