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That's a really good idea, lol.
They were able to speak to a few animals through the books. Thestrals understood them, too.
I wish I spoke cat.... real cat, not lolcat. Although sometimes I think cats can understand me. 
It makes sense... I mean, if people can talk to snakes, why not other animals?
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Maybe snakes have some hitherto unknown importance in the magical world. (I'm not talking about ties to Salazar Slytherin or the Dark Arts). Just throwing out a guess there.
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Would that mean the raven or the badger would also have ties, too. And the Gryffin, too?
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ravens can talk
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| Would that mean the raven or the badger would also have ties, too. And the Gryffin, too? |
Perhaps. It could have something to do with the Heads of the houses, or it could be just snakes. Like I said, it was just some odd possibility.
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| Arabella wrote: |
| ravens can talk |
O.o
Polly wants a cracker?
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O.o
Polly wants a cracker? |
Yeah some ravens can actually talk, but it's nothing extensive of course. From what I hear, it's nothing like a cockatiel.
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Polly wants a cracker? |
no silly. those are parrots. go read Poe.
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| Arabella wrote: |
| GinnyX wrote: |
| Arabella wrote: |
| ravens can talk |
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Polly wants a cracker? |
no silly. those are parrots. go read Poe. |
Ohhhhh.... that Poe reference went right over my head. 
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| yes i wrote the title in parsel tongue... |
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talking english to an owl was much like talking to noobs. they nod, look as if they understand... and fly away clueless
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HAHAHAHAHA . . . I can't believe that I let Twilight take me away from PF for so long!
I'm sure that it would have been mentioned if there were other animal languages . . . and I don't count creature with voice boxes as an animal that doesn't have a language (ie Trolls, Memaids, Giants,)
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I suppose just because an animal is not mentioned outwardly as having a language does not mean that it does not have one.
Perhaps Dementors do not have a language necessarily, but they have a hive mind, sort of like the Borgs from Star Trek. (This is coming from my girlfriend. It wasn't my idea, but she isn't on potterforums, so I'm proposing the theory for her.) They do move sort of in unison with one another, if you've noticed, and they only really move individually when instructed or ordered to do so.
Also, I wish I could speak Parseltongue. It's been sort of a dream of mine. I really love snakes and I think it would be lovely to talk to them. |
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I suppose just because an animal is not mentioned outwardly as having a language does not mean that it does not have one.
Perhaps Dementors do not have a language necessarily, but they have a hive mind, sort of like the Borgs from Star Trek. (This is coming from my girlfriend. It wasn't my idea, but she isn't on potterforums, so I'm proposing the theory for her.) They do move sort of in unison with one another, if you've noticed, and they only really move individually when instructed or ordered to do so.
Also, I wish I could speak Parseltongue. It's been sort of a dream of mine. I really love snakes and I think it would be lovely to talk to them. |
i completely agree.
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I suppose just because an animal is not mentioned outwardly as having a language does not mean that it does not have one.
Perhaps Dementors do not have a language necessarily, but they have a hive mind, sort of like the Borgs from Star Trek. (This is coming from my girlfriend. It wasn't my idea, but she isn't on potterforums, so I'm proposing the theory for her.) They do move sort of in unison with one another, if you've noticed, and they only really move individually when instructed or ordered to do so.
Also, I wish I could speak Parseltongue. It's been sort of a dream of mine. I really love snakes and I think it would be lovely to talk to them. |
i completely agree. |
I don't think I'd ever want to speak Parseltongue, but yeah, I understand where you're coming from.
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^ Dude, if I could speak parseltongue, I soooo would. I mean, imagine being able to communicate with an animal on that level!
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It must be able to talk to every creature on earth- the question is: would you want to?
I think it's actually strange that you can learn this language AND can speak it out of... well, from you birthday on. Even your mother tongue do you have to learn bevor you can speak it. It means that you have something snake in your DNA. Also strange that all snakes from everywhere speak the same language.
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I think there are tongues to talk with other animals other then snakes, but weren't mentioned in the books because they're probably not of much influence. Barty Crouch knows over 300 languages, so most of those are probably animal languages.
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I think that the reason the books only talk about parseltounge is because of the connection between harry and voldemort.
It's one of the connections they have so it is very important to the plot.
But i'm sure there are different animal languages.
In HBP it says that Dumbledore speaks Mermish, by the way.
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depends on the human if DD can speak mermish, i think the languages of all creatures could be mastered.
but the original question is meant to be more towards animals. if snakes can be spoken to.. which other animals would you think would be beneficial to wizards and witches? |
That's not entirely accurate. Mermaids are humanoids, and as such their physiology is very similar to ours. In particular: their vocal chords. Same with troll, or a giant, or a goblin. They're all humanoids and possess similar vocalization abilities to us, even if trolls and giants arent quite up to our complexity.
A dragon, on the other hand (or a thestral, or a hippogriff, or an owl for that matter) have drastically different physical abilities than we do, most notably the dragon (being reptilian). So one could not particularly learn to roar in that matter. Dumbledore (and Ron) were only able to pick up bits of Parceltongue and only by repeating sounds that Harry made (though Dumbledore lets on that he knows basic phrases). However, it is primarily an inherent trait passed along magically and genetically. This gives the possibility that such magical traits could be gained to speak to other animals, but a dragon would be well outside our ability as humans. We simply dont have the lung capacity or vocal chords for it.
However, we must understand that not all animals are complex enough to have languages. Many animals rely primarily on body language to signify change in their behavior over an actual spoken language. And stuff like that is easy enough to learn. |
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depends on the human if DD can speak mermish, i think the languages of all creatures could be mastered.
but the original question is meant to be more towards animals. if snakes can be spoken to.. which other animals would you think would be beneficial to wizards and witches? |
That's not entirely accurate. Mermaids are humanoids, and as such their physiology is very similar to ours. In particular: their vocal chords. Same with troll, or a giant, or a goblin. They're all humanoids and possess similar vocalization abilities to us, even if trolls and giants arent quite up to our complexity.
A dragon, on the other hand (or a thestral, or a hippogriff, or an owl for that matter) have drastically different physical abilities than we do, most notably the dragon (being reptilian). So one could not particularly learn to roar in that matter. Dumbledore (and Ron) were only able to pick up bits of Parceltongue and only by repeating sounds that Harry made (though Dumbledore lets on that he knows basic phrases). However, it is primarily an inherent trait passed along magically and genetically. This gives the possibility that such magical traits could be gained to speak to other animals, but a dragon would be well outside our ability as humans. We simply dont have the lung capacity or vocal chords for it.
However, we must understand that not all animals are complex enough to have languages. Many animals rely primarily on body language to signify change in their behavior over an actual spoken language. And stuff like that is easy enough to learn. |
very true and nice response aaron.
i think though if it was a magical trait the lung capacity would not matter because it is magic. with my experience in d&d things like lung capacity, muscular ability, etc. are enhanced to provide the necessary "spell" so if it were a magical ability i think it possible to speak dragon.
on the other note of lesser creatures maybe the way to speak with them would be in body movement. so it is not impossible (well it is but im talking in fictionland) for magic to do that.
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| It is possible that combining your knowledge of the dragon's communication with the spell "Sonorus" could work. |
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Why would you think Sonorus would work? All it does it make your voice louder... I dont' see how that would help to communicate to dragons, except tehy might be able to hear better... but that is only assuming they can't hear well enough already. 
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Well it amplifies the strength of your vocal chords and allows your voice to become unnaturally loud. It would most likely allow you to communicate with a dragon (YOU try roaring like that  ) as long as you knew their speech patters and such. This is assuming they have a language. |
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Does it amplify the strength of the vocal chords? I dont' remember the spell being explained, only that Bagman's voice was louder after he pointed it his throat.
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