Hello, everyone. after a long break, my creative juices are flowing again and i have a question for everyone. What is true power in the magic world? I mean if we compare the magical world and our world, then most things that spells accomplish, can be accomplished through muggle means. Stupify is the equivalent of a taser, impedimenta can be rubber bullets. We have bullet proff vests to defend against attacks. we have smiths and repairment to repair damage, and we can raise objects without levitation. I think that the one thing that sets us apart is the wizard ability to effect the mind. Through spells like obliviate and imperio, they are able to alter memories and control the minds of others, so in my opinion, one of the most powerful weapons that a wizard has is to control the mind, because that is one thing that our muggle technology has not accomplished...yet. _________________ Ice shall instill the heart of man...only silence will remain
Don't forget that all that Muggle stuff costs quite a bit of money, while the spells are completely free, and not all that equipment is always available, while a wizard is always equipped with his trusty wand. And there are other useful things that are unavailable in the Muggle world, Apparition for example.
But yeah, as Arthur Weasley puts it (CoS chapter 4): "Fascinating. Ingenious, really, how many ways Muggles have found of getting along without magic." _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
oh, i know, i was speeking only of the power. both muggles and wizards have methods of killing and stunning, and accomplishing tasks in their own ways, but in equally effective ways. I just think the difference is in the ability of wizards to control _________________ Ice shall instill the heart of man...only silence will remain
im reviving this because i feel it hasnt gotten the proper attention... this is an excellent question. and i agree i think that the mind control and mind reading spells are the "most powerful" _________________
As far as the shield charm and bullet proof vest go... I think you could take it one step further and say that those items of clothing with the Shield Charm on them are actually more like bullet proof vests.
And I wouldn't say that Stupefy is like a taser... more like a blunt object thrown at the person's head would be like stupefy. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
I always think the wizard has the advantage in terms of power. Their methods are much more stealthy, and would always have the air of surprise over muggles. Muggle killings leave traces, where as Avada Kedavra Curses leave no signs. Much more work is required to be a Muggle than a wizard. _________________
I always think the wizard has the advantage in terms of power. Their methods are much more stealthy, and would always have the air of surprise over muggles. Muggle killings leave traces, where as Avada Kedavra Curses leave no signs. Much more work is required to be a Muggle than a wizard.
Well, actually, they do leave signs. Well, sign in the singular sense. Priori Incantatem.... which is still harder to trace than a bullet, though. I mean, with muggle killings you usually have the bullet or the shell. With the Killing Curse you need to do the investigating sort-of backwards. Which begs the question, are the wizards and witches guilty until proven innocent?
But I definitely see what you're saying about how there are no visual signs left over on the body. Maybe that in itself would help with the autopsy, though, you think? _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
I always think the wizard has the advantage in terms of power. Their methods are much more stealthy, and would always have the air of surprise over muggles. Muggle killings leave traces, where as Avada Kedavra Curses leave no signs. Much more work is required to be a Muggle than a wizard.
Well, actually, they do leave signs. Well, sign in the singular sense. Priori Incantatem.... which is still harder to trace than a bullet, though. I mean, with muggle killings you usually have the bullet or the shell. With the Killing Curse you need to do the investigating sort-of backwards. Which begs the question, are the wizards and witches guilty until proven innocent?
But I definitely see what you're saying about how there are no visual signs left over on the body. Maybe that in itself would help with the autopsy, though, you think?
I always think the wizard has the advantage in terms of power. Their methods are much more stealthy, and would always have the air of surprise over muggles. Muggle killings leave traces, where as Avada Kedavra Curses leave no signs. Much more work is required to be a Muggle than a wizard.
Well, actually, they do leave signs. Well, sign in the singular sense. Priori Incantatem.... which is still harder to trace than a bullet, though. I mean, with muggle killings you usually have the bullet or the shell. With the Killing Curse you need to do the investigating sort-of backwards. Which begs the question, are the wizards and witches guilty until proven innocent?
But I definitely see what you're saying about how there are no visual signs left over on the body. Maybe that in itself would help with the autopsy, though, you think?
CSI:Hogwarts
oh geez, aren't there already enough of those? Then again, I heard they cancelled the best one, so I guess there is room for another. And the homocide rate is high at Hogwarts, so you know the writers will never get bored. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
I always think the wizard has the advantage in terms of power. Their methods are much more stealthy, and would always have the air of surprise over muggles. Muggle killings leave traces, where as Avada Kedavra Curses leave no signs. Much more work is required to be a Muggle than a wizard.
Well, actually, they do leave signs. Well, sign in the singular sense. Priori Incantatem.... which is still harder to trace than a bullet, though. I mean, with muggle killings you usually have the bullet or the shell. With the Killing Curse you need to do the investigating sort-of backwards. Which begs the question, are the wizards and witches guilty until proven innocent?
But I definitely see what you're saying about how there are no visual signs left over on the body. Maybe that in itself would help with the autopsy, though, you think?
CSI:Hogwarts
oh geez, aren't there already enough of those? Then again, I heard they cancelled the best one, so I guess there is room for another. And the homocide rate is high at Hogwarts, so you know the writers will never get bored.
that will be a whole new class... maybe from yr 5 and up _________________
would be cool...i would like to see a tv series/ movie spinoff of the Wizarding World. Maybe like Dumbledore's life to the point of teaching at Hogwarts, or the Founders of Hogwarts, or something like that...heck, id even like the CSI thing _________________
Despite wizards' manipulation of the physical (and transphysical) realm, they seem to be completely ignorant of certain laws and principles muggles have come up with. Of course, some magic performed shatters several well established theories (LoCoM and Laws of Thermodynamics and entropy come to mind), but there is still some science that would be prudent for any witch or wizard to comprehend.
Also, I'd like an explanation for some of the magical occurences thrown about in ther Potterverse. You can't just say, "It's magic," 'cause that's illogical.
Despite wizards' manipulation of the physical (and transphysical) realm, they seem to be completely ignorant of certain laws and principles muggles have come up with. Of course, some magic performed shatters several well established theories (LoCoM and Laws of Thermodynamics and entropy come to mind), but there is still some science that would be prudent for any witch or wizard to comprehend.
Also, I'd like an explanation for some of the magical occurences thrown about in ther Potterverse. You can't just say, "It's magic," 'cause that's illogical.
It doesn't have to be logical... it's a fantasy book. Most things can be explained... but in the end.. it's a fantasy book about witches and wizards. There are dragons and trolls and magic wands. If you are looking for absolute and definitve logic I suggest next time trying the non-fiction section of your local library or nearby bookstore. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
Despite wizards' manipulation of the physical (and transphysical) realm, they seem to be completely ignorant of certain laws and principles muggles have come up with. Of course, some magic performed shatters several well established theories (LoCoM and Laws of Thermodynamics and entropy come to mind), but there is still some science that would be prudent for any witch or wizard to comprehend.
Also, I'd like an explanation for some of the magical occurences thrown about in ther Potterverse. You can't just say, "It's magic," 'cause that's illogical.
It doesn't have to be logical... it's a fantasy book. Most things can be explained... but in the end.. it's a fantasy book about witches and wizards. There are dragons and trolls and magic wands. If you are looking for absolute and definitve logic I suggest next time trying the non-fiction section of your local library or nearby bookstore.
Ah, but the kicker is that Rowling tries to make it plausible by producing her own laws and such. You can't really use that "it's just fantasy" excuse anymore. If it was just dragons and unicorns and rainbows and shit, I wouldn't care. No, we have wandlore, and ancient magical curses, and horcruxes and the like, which require straightforward thinking which is apart from the abstract thought usually associated with fantasy themed books.
Rowling references the research of magical anomalies being conducted in the Department of Mysteries, but offers no insight to the core inner workings of magic. IIRC, she doesn't even offer the simple information of where magic comes from or how it manifests itself in select individuals.
And, c'mon, telling me to to go to the library because I seek logic in the Theories and Speculation portion of the forum is a bit un-modlike.
Ah, but the kicker is that Rowling tries to make it plausible by producing her own laws and such. You can't really use that "it's just fantasy" excuse anymore. If it was just dragons and unicorns and rainbows and shit, I wouldn't care. No, we have wandlore, and ancient magical curses, and horcruxes and the like, which require straightforward thinking which is apart from the abstract thought usually associated with fantasy themed books.
That's all myths and legends... which is included in the Fantasy category.
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Rowling references the research of magical anomalies being conducted in the Department of Mysteries, but offers no insight to the core inner workings of magic. IIRC, she doesn't even offer the simple information of where magic comes from or how it manifests itself in select individuals.
That would cross the story over in the science fiction realm.
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And, c'mon, telling me to to go to te library because I seek logic in the Theories and Speculation portion of the forum is a bit un-modlike.
Hun, don't get defensive. But it sounds like you are seeking cold, hard proof of magic from a book about nargles and thestrals. You can specualte all you want, but don't knock JKR just because she isn't a scientist. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
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Yeah, I think horcruxes may have originated from the idea of a Lich and his phylactery in DnD. Maybe not though, I'm sure there are other examples of soul containers older than DnD.. _________________
Kill a man, and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
That's all myths and legends... which is included in the Fantasy category.
I never denied HP was Fantasy.
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That would cross the story over in the science fiction realm.
No it wouldn't. You must misunderstand me, I'm not asking for Rowling to explain magic through scientific principles. That is impossible, because magic in and of itself defies science. No, I was merely asking for an explanation as to why things work the way they do in the world she created. I mean, that'd be a very interesting subject, wouldn't you say?
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Hun, don't get defensive. But it sounds like you are seeking cold, hard proof of magic from a book about nargles and thestrals. You can specualte all you want, but don't knock JKR just because she isn't a scientist.
I give credit where credit is due, and Rowling deserves a lot of credit. however, I'm not so entranced by her writing to ignore some things she could expand upon to give the reader more insight into the world she so succinctly and lovingly crafted. I have problems with some parts of her writing, or disagree with a certain direction she took. But that is outside this discussion: my opinion of Rowling as a writer is not pertinent.
I'm far from seeking cold hard proof of magic, just an expansion or explanation of certain magical workings within her own world. i'm not asking on how it could be applied to the real world where the closest thing to magic is faith and emotions. Just behind the scenes sort of information, or at the very least, where magic came from or how it comes to be manipulated by humans. 'Cause it seems kind of empty just accepting the fact that it's there and never questioning it.
^ Well, she has made mention that magic is biological, that a person is born with it. So it's not a matter of how humans harness it. They were merely born with it. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
i think what he's getting at and i'm in that boat too is that in the eragon series, in the human instruments series, in the bartemeus trilogy and other variants of this genre, there is a thourough explaination to the origin of the power. The thing that is somewhat upsetting is that magic in the potterverse is taken to wonderful litirary heights, but whats missing is the origin, the explaination of where it comes from and the laws that govern it. _________________ Ice shall instill the heart of man...only silence will remain
They are two completely different book series. It's not fair to hold once against the other. I mean comparing and contrasting is fun, I'm not saying that... but just because one talks about origin, it doesn't mean the other one has to. It's the author's choice. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
just saying, in college all of the english professors say that unless you are writing for a seminar, you can never assume that the audience is as knowlegable and accepting as you for topics. You have to make a complete story line, meaning there shouldn't be big holes like the missing of the origin, all it would take is a small chapter on history, tahts it. _________________ Ice shall instill the heart of man...only silence will remain
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