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Possibly anyone could do it, but only a very powerful person could kill with it. If, lets say, Ginny's little 2 year old sister who doesn't exist said it, it wouldn't do anything.
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i dont thinks its skill that make up the unforgivable curses but of "will" to do so like how Bleatrix Mentions in Order of the Phoenix and how harry rementions it in deathly hallows. Lamon Terms: If u have the will to kill, you can do it. As showed by Goyle and Crabbe
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I think that its something like the other unforgivable curses, like bellatrix explained to harry, you have to really mean it for it to take affect.

Posts: 24347 · Posted: May 6, 2008 6:56 am Post subject:

I think it's a sort-of combination of the two... magical ability and a want to do harm, in this case killing. It's not a secret that Crabbe and Goyle suck at Potions, but we really don't know much about them besides that. I wonder if they are just like other students who excel in one area and fall apart in other areas. Some students are great at math, but are not so good at... gym, for instance while other students love gym and sports, but when it comes to classes, they do not excel in some areas. Some people love reading and work hard at English, but fall apart when it comes to math. I think Crabbe and Goyle are like those students... they found an area of studies that interest them and worked hard to excel in that area.
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Posts: 1931 · Posted: May 6, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject:

Yes they would have to be
yet crabbe had been learning stuff like that all year in Dark Arts

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I actually think the Avada kedavra makes it too easy to kill. One thing thought, the average teenager thing with Crabb. That it true, that is werid, but he didnt kill anyone with it. Maybe they would only have gotten a nosebleed of it.
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I don't think it's really the thing about killing that person I think it's more of wanting to kill somebody. Remember in HBP one of the DEs (I think it was either Dolohov or Rowle, but I"m not sure) was casting the Killing Curse everywhere he could reach and ended up hitting another DE. Now I seriously doubt he wanted one of his allies dead while in the middle of a war, but he did want to kill somebody to protect himself and just happened to hit a friend.
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[quote="Flaming Fury"]I don't think it's really the thing about killing that person I think it's more of wanting to kill somebody. Remember in HBP one of the DEs (I think it was either Dolohov or Rowle, but I"m not sure) was casting the Killing Curse everywhere he could reach and ended up hitting another DE. Now I seriously doubt he wanted one of his allies dead while in the middle of a war, but he did want to kill somebody to protect himself and just happened to hit a friend.[/quote]

i thought taht it was you could only cast the spell if you truely meant to kill the person.

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I don't think that could be it cause then how could that one Death Eater kill the other one. I think it's more of wanting to perform the act of murder.
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[quote="Flaming Fury"]I don't think that could be it cause then how could that one Death Eater kill the other one. I think it's more of wanting to perform the act of murder.[/quote]

well thats what i meant that you really want to kill the person

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Sorry I thought you meant kill THAT person, like I want to kill Jon Smith. I meant you have to want to kill whoever gets hit by the curse.
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Can all spells be casted without an incantation? Are there varying degrees of difficulty for different spells when trying to do so? If so, can the killing curse be cast without speaking? I feel like Voldy and some others may have done this...if this is so, do you need to particularly powerful/gifted/talented to be able?
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Haha, that's very cool. Not to mention that doing silently enables you to basically spam it like hell.
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I think that to cast the curse; you have to mean it, want it more than anything.

And the second poster is probably right, Barty was probably wrong.
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No, I think that ol' Barty was right in his earlier remark. It should seem prudent that to take one's life, you have to have an exceptionally powerful grasp of magic and be able to capably wield it in that particular manner.

If any jerk with a wand could kill someone, then that would horribly undermine the entire wizarding community. Truthfully, we've only seen exceptionally powerful wizards kill with it. Others have tried, o' course, but in the middle of a life-or-death duel, why do they still brandish curses and hexes such as the Stunning Curse and Body Bind Curse? If Avada Kedavra was a one-and-done, and unblockable, why waste the time if you're not in a pacified duel?

So, by my reckoning, you have to be a top-end wizard/witch to kill someone with it. The fact that you can utter the words and cause physical damage means there's bodily repercussions proportional to the caster's prowess. That means, of course, that some of the spells dodged (Death Eaters aiming curses at Harry, Crabbe getting tough in the RoR) might not have actually killed like they were inteded.

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Posts: 318 · Posted: July 28, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject:

Maybe Barty Crouch was lying to convice Harry that he could not preform it, but ya know, thats just somthing i picked up from my black hole of a miind. Smile

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Posts: 818 · Posted: July 30, 2008 5:06 am Post subject:

I think that Crouch took it a bit wrong with "extremely powerful" wizard of sorts. As Harry very well proves us throughout the books, you don't have to be of age to do something. Remember that the Patronus Charm is considered dead-difficult as well, yet Harry and many other average students can make it. It's all a matter of will-power and confidence. I doubt Draco could cast the spell even if he wanted to. If you ask me, the only reason he didn't kill Dumbledore was because he was scared that it would someday come to surface. I wouldn't be surprised if he was secretly glad that Snape did it.
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