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| Who do you think should be our next President? |
| John McCain |
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| Barack Obama |
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Wandmaster14
Joined: Jan 11, 2008
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 Posted: June 4, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Hillary Clinton's loss and gain. |
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On Tuesday June 2nd Obama finaly won over Mrs.Clinton however in my opinion Hillary would have done a better job no matter as I have recently heard over the news Obama is highly considering Hillary as his vice president if he wins the presidential race this November and if Obama is smart that is certainly what he will od because if he does not all of Hillary's voters will go to McCain's side.
also on the subject of McCain I believe he is a war mongerer who does not want us out of the living hell known as Iraq if elected McCain will enforce the draft once again which will upset families country wide and possibly cause a second Civil War we do not have enough soldiers to continue this terrible and costly war, to much blood has been spilled over something as simple as oil...
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Gryffindork
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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So what will HRC's voters do if/when their own preferred candidate finally joins the rest of the Democratic party and begins to support Obama?
Come on people, don't go against HRC's own policies just because she didn't win the nomination. |
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AngelPotter20
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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If and only if obama choses Hillary as his VP I will vote for him.. If not then I'm not voting at all.
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Vasaver
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| If and only if obama choses Hillary as his VP I will vote for him.. If not then I'm not voting at all. |
that doesnt sound too great. i mean at least try to have a hand in something.
also barak's character is a number one character i wouldnt want as president. you dont befriend someone who bombed the pentagon, you dont stay at a white racist church for twenty years with out having some very f'ed up reason. also, his wife. if a black person called me whitey id punch them in the face. his connections are just suspicious and wrong. also hes new, hardly has any experience not many people know his past or anything about this guy. all we do know is the big mistakes and things that seem to leak out about this guy. yet we are voting him in for prez?
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AngelPotter20
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Vasaver wrote: |
| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| If and only if obama choses Hillary as his VP I will vote for him.. If not then I'm not voting at all. |
that doesnt sound too great. i mean at least try to have a hand in something.
also barak's character is a number one character i wouldnt want as president. you dont befriend someone who bombed the pentagon, you dont stay at a white racist church for twenty years with out having some very f'ed up reason. also, his wife. if a black person called me whitey id punch them in the face. his connections are just suspicious and wrong. also hes new, hardly has any experience not many people know his past or anything about this guy. all we do know is the big mistakes and things that seem to leak out about this guy. yet we are voting him in for prez? |
Oh do I agree with you so much..
Why vote when we dont have a say in who gets the presidency anyway?
Hillary had the Popular vote and yet Obama still won?? The people wanted Hillary.. the super delegates and others wanted Obama that's why he won.
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flamingmonkey923
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Vasaver wrote: |
| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| If and only if obama choses Hillary as his VP I will vote for him.. If not then I'm not voting at all. |
that doesnt sound too great. i mean at least try to have a hand in something.
also barak's character is a number one character i wouldnt want as president. you dont befriend someone who bombed the pentagon, you dont stay at a white racist church for twenty years with out having some very f'ed up reason. also, his wife. if a black person called me whitey id punch them in the face. his connections are just suspicious and wrong. also hes new, hardly has any experience not many people know his past or anything about this guy. all we do know is the big mistakes and things that seem to leak out about this guy. yet we are voting him in for prez? |
Oh do I agree with you so much..
Why vote when we dont have a say in who gets the presidency anyway?
Hillary had the Popular vote and yet Obama still won?? The people wanted Hillary.. the super delegates and others wanted Obama that's why he won. |
Yeah, if you don't count any of the Caucuses because it's difficult to project actual numbers for them, and then you give Hillary 100% of the Michigan vote where she would have won about 30% without the voter fraud, then yes she won the popular vote. Here in reality, Obama won the popular vote, the most [pledged delegates, and thus the nomination.
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AngelPotter20
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| flamingmonkey923 wrote: |
| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| Vasaver wrote: |
| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| If and only if obama choses Hillary as his VP I will vote for him.. If not then I'm not voting at all. |
that doesnt sound too great. i mean at least try to have a hand in something.
also barak's character is a number one character i wouldnt want as president. you dont befriend someone who bombed the pentagon, you dont stay at a white racist church for twenty years with out having some very f'ed up reason. also, his wife. if a black person called me whitey id punch them in the face. his connections are just suspicious and wrong. also hes new, hardly has any experience not many people know his past or anything about this guy. all we do know is the big mistakes and things that seem to leak out about this guy. yet we are voting him in for prez? |
Oh do I agree with you so much..
Why vote when we dont have a say in who gets the presidency anyway?
Hillary had the Popular vote and yet Obama still won?? The people wanted Hillary.. the super delegates and others wanted Obama that's why he won. |
Yeah, if you don't count any of the Caucuses because it's difficult to project actual numbers for them, and then you give Hillary 100% of the Michigan vote where she would have won about 30% without the voter fraud, then yes she won the popular vote. Here in reality, Obama won the popular vote, the most [pledged delegates, and thus the nomination. |
The People Of the United States wanted Hillary.. that's the popular vote. I dont know where you live but it was all over the news that she won the Popular vote even with out Michigan. We are not even talking about Michigan here.
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Kino
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Now that it's finally down to the two candidates, I am 100% for Obama. It's saddening watching Hillary Clinton go away, but she had her chance, but she blew it. So let's hope for another great Democratic President.
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AngelPotter20
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I believe that it's mostly the Media's fault.. They bashed Her from the start.. and if not from the start then from when she lost a couple states. If the media did not do what they did then I truly thing that she would of won..
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Gryffindork
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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General reminder- the Democratic party's nomination process is based on delegate count, not popular vote (not that there was any discrepancy in this Democratic election anyway). Hillary Clinton abided by this from the start. If people want the popular vote to be the deciding factor in our elections, they all need to do what it takes to change the system that has been established by and for the Democratic party...and while we're at it, perhaps there can eventually be a switch from electorate to popular vote too (remember the general election in 2000?). But until that happens...
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zengrenouille
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| Posted: June 4, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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wandmaster, sweetie . . . punctuation is your friend. I had to read your post like five times before I could understand it.
I think that you guys are going the wrong direction here. I agree that some of Obama's personal choices a bit strange to me, but for goodness sake we live in a country that has watched presidents publicly flirt with women that the whole world knew that they were having affairs with. Surely we can see past those personal choices and look into the issues. Barack wasn't my first choice for the democratic candidacy, but since he is what we have we need to make the beast of it.
The important thing to do now is look past the propaganda that the media has been thowing into our faces for the past few months into the issues that the presidential candidates are passionate about. Find out who fits your world-view the best and go with that.
The past few months were just a show between two candidates who had so much in common that they need to use a more personal angle in their campaigns. Now we have candidate who are very different from each other, and it will be an abuse of your right to vote if you let the past few months mar you opinion of Barack merely because you can't get past a grudge that he won over Hillary.
As for me, as of right now I feel that Barack is the better candidate for president. People fear the way that democrats will spend money, but I am more afraid of a republican candidate who will let the rich sit on their fat bank accounts while working-class America continues to become poorer and poorer. Because of this McCain scares the hell out of me. I don't think that Barack has a definite plan to make the economy a whole lot better, but I feel that there will at least be more cash flow among Americans who are not wealthy or rich with Barack in office. Cash flow is important. It's like the blood of the body of America. Without it, life will be bleak.
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Kino
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| Posted: June 5, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| I believe that it's mostly the Media's fault.. They bashed Her from the start.. and if not from the start then from when she lost a couple states. If the media did not do what they did then I truly thing that she would of won.. |
Yeah I agree with you on that. Also I think her husband played a major role in the whole campaign too. If you look at all the stuff he said this year about people or his wife and basically sidetracked her whole campaign so he could get some TV time because he didn't have enough of it during his presidency.
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AngelPotter20
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| Posted: June 5, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Kino wrote: |
| AngelPotter20 wrote: |
| I believe that it's mostly the Media's fault.. They bashed Her from the start.. and if not from the start then from when she lost a couple states. If the media did not do what they did then I truly thing that she would of won.. |
Yeah I agree with you on that. Also I think her husband played a major role in the whole campaign too. If you look at all the stuff he said this year about people or his wife and basically sidetracked her whole campaign so he could get some TV time because he didn't have enough of it during his presidency. |
Yeah, he should of left her alone and it would not off been half as bad for her. But what is done is done and we cant change it now.
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Kino
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| Posted: June 5, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I wish we could lol.
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AngelPotter20
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| Posted: June 5, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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So do I.. So do I.. but we cant. I guess we have to go with what we have. 
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