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teacakes
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dontsayiquit wrote:
teacakes wrote:
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Oh, and I love the Old Testament, when read as folk stories full of beautiful metaphors.


How can you say you love the Old Testament?

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a pretty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

I was going to write this in my own words, but Richard Dawkins sumed it up for me far better than I ever could.



I'm an atheist if you couldn't infer this from my remarks.


That's like saying people shouldn't like HP because Voldemort is so evil.
Old Testament God is all those things and that is why it is so good to read. It isn't for a moment boring or bland or watered down. It is an insight into the minds of the people who live by it and the people who composed it. The most brutal things are often the most beautiful.


Except that no one bases all their morals and live their lives based off of Harry Potter. And God is suppose to be the Harry Potter in the bible, not the Voldemort.


Oh, don't think for a second that I believe Old Testament God to be the one and only, brilliant creator of life itself. For one thing, I'm a pacifist, but beyond that, I couldn't live with myself if I got all my morals from some out of date book. I read it because I love historical context.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacakes wrote:
dontsayiquit wrote:
teacakes wrote:
dontsayiquit wrote:
teacakes wrote:
Oh, and I love the Old Testament, when read as folk stories full of beautiful metaphors.


How can you say you love the Old Testament?

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a pretty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

I was going to write this in my own words, but Richard Dawkins sumed it up for me far better than I ever could.



I'm an atheist if you couldn't infer this from my remarks.


That's like saying people shouldn't like HP because Voldemort is so evil.
Old Testament God is all those things and that is why it is so good to read. It isn't for a moment boring or bland or watered down. It is an insight into the minds of the people who live by it and the people who composed it. The most brutal things are often the most beautiful.


Except that no one bases all their morals and live their lives based off of Harry Potter. And God is suppose to be the Harry Potter in the bible, not the Voldemort.


Oh, don't think for a second that I believe Old Testament God to be the one and only, brilliant creator of life itself. For one thing, I'm a pacifist, but beyond that, I couldn't live with myself if I got all my morals from some out of date book. I read it because I love historical context.


Oh very sorry, misinterperted what you meant when you said you loved it, I infered you meant you believed it. I completely agree with you then, I have yet to fully read the bible and I plan on doing it this summer along with many other pieces of religious text such as: The Koran and The Satanic Bible.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried reading the Bible but I got uber bored in all the begats. Its not written to be read imo...somebody should novelize it.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dontsayiquit wrote:
teacakes wrote:
dontsayiquit wrote:
teacakes wrote:
dontsayiquit wrote:
teacakes wrote:
Oh, and I love the Old Testament, when read as folk stories full of beautiful metaphors.


How can you say you love the Old Testament?

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a pretty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

I was going to write this in my own words, but Richard Dawkins sumed it up for me far better than I ever could.



I'm an atheist if you couldn't infer this from my remarks.


That's like saying people shouldn't like HP because Voldemort is so evil.
Old Testament God is all those things and that is why it is so good to read. It isn't for a moment boring or bland or watered down. It is an insight into the minds of the people who live by it and the people who composed it. The most brutal things are often the most beautiful.


Except that no one bases all their morals and live their lives based off of Harry Potter. And God is suppose to be the Harry Potter in the bible, not the Voldemort.


Oh, don't think for a second that I believe Old Testament God to be the one and only, brilliant creator of life itself. For one thing, I'm a pacifist, but beyond that, I couldn't live with myself if I got all my morals from some out of date book. I read it because I love historical context.


Oh very sorry, misinterperted what you meant when you said you loved it, I infered you meant you believed it. I completely agree with you then, I have yet to fully read the bible and I plan on doing it this summer along with many other pieces of religious text such as: The Koran and The Satanic Bible.


Lol that's okay, I thought figured there was some confusion going on 'cause I agree with you on most things, I've noticed. Now to end this giant quote tunnel. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tried reading the Bible but I got uber bored in all the begats. Its not written to be read imo...somebody should novelize it.

It's written as guideline and to be studied.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arabella wrote:
I tried reading the Bible but I got uber bored in all the begats. Its not written to be read imo...somebody should novelize it.


Way more interesting....
http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tried reading the Bible but I got uber bored in all the begats. Its not written to be read imo...somebody should novelize it.


Yeah, the stories are actually interesting, but you have to filter the actual stories for the begats, and it just is a headache.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya it is pretty dang confusing.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was raised Roman Catholic but I never really went to church after confirmation. I'm very confused on my views about god and the Religion I was brought up on.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Royo wrote:
Arabella wrote:
I tried reading the Bible but I got uber bored in all the begats. Its not written to be read imo...somebody should novelize it.

It's written as guideline and to be studied.


I don't read instruction manuals because they are boring. IF you want something read, you need to make it interesting. I don't think the Bible would lose any integrity or truth or educational value it has if it was novelized.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zengrenouille wrote:
Arabella wrote:
I tried reading the Bible but I got uber bored in all the begats. Its not written to be read imo...somebody should novelize it.


Yeah, the stories are actually interesting, but you have to filter the actual stories for the begats, and it just is a headache.


yea i skimmed thru those, i could care less who was related to who. i just like all the firey brimstone destruction... angry god stuff

puts a more believable spin to the nicey nice god loves everyone blinders that people wear today.

and imo the bible has nothing to do with actual christianity, it is a text that church elders had written over thousands of years in order to convert and keep people in moral check.

but its a good read... until the new testament where its just repetitive. i wasnt impressed with the multiple points of view. i kinda pictured that sports announcer that likes to circle things circling all the points that were already made and commenting on them.

but thats how i saw it.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Catholic, however i haven't been to church since i moved to America.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What country did you live in before you moved to America???
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in England before i moved to America.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Near Ireland!
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes near Ireland and i'm also half Irish.
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol,I live in Ireland..Can you speak Irish?
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PostPosted: May 21, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean? Do you mean Gaelic , if so i can't but my grandad can because obviously he's full irish.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. You don't say Gaelic, It's Irish. Both my parents can speak it and they're Chinese!
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't i say Gaelic?
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cho Chang200 wrote:
No. You don't say Gaelic, It's Irish. Both my parents can speak it and they're Chinese!

Actually, the formal name for the language is Gaelic. Some people call it Irish because that's an easier name, but it still is, traditionally, Gaelic.

Anyway I think this is my first time posting in this thread, so I'll point out I'm Roman Catholic.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over here everyone in Ireland calls it Irish. I just suppose we're used to it.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if i'm wrong but I heard that less and less people speak Gaelic anymore?
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah its a dying language
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