'I just take the train from platform nine and three-quarters at eleven o' clock,' Harry read.
His aunt and uncle stared.
'Platform what?'
'Nine and three-quarters.'
But then in the chapter 'Prince's Tale' in book 7, Petunia is standing in platform 9 3/4.......then why was she surprised in book 1 when Harry said the platform number?
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i think the one who started saying about what the hell was platform 9 and 3/4 was vernon and i think petunia might just have been deliberately unhelpful since most of the time she preferred to pretend she didnt know anything about magic and all that stuff
and why would she have wanted to help harry anyway? she probably thought that if harry couldnt get to the train then he wouldnt go at hogwarts at all, stupid as the idea is _________________
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She wasn't surprised in the way you think she was. She had heard the number before... she was just surprised to hear it again, if that makes any sense.
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and why would she have wanted to help harry anyway? she probably thought that if harry couldnt get to the train then he wouldnt go at hogwarts at all, stupid as the idea is
She didn't want to help Harry, she knew she had to. She knew DD or someone would be along eventually to take care of it. Remember when Harry's address on his Hogwarts letter changed when Vernon moved his room? Petunia knew there was no escaping it.
She didn't want to help Harry, she knew she had to. She knew DD or someone would be along eventually to take care of it. Remember when Harry's address on his Hogwarts letter changed when Vernon moved his room? Petunia knew there was no escaping it.
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She didn't want to help Harry, she knew she had to. She knew DD or someone would be along eventually to take care of it. Remember when Harry's address on his Hogwarts letter changed when Vernon moved his room? Petunia knew there was no escaping it.
.......then why do you think she didnt help him?
She did.... she went with Vernon to get him to the train station. She wasn't the one who put bars up on teh window, Vernon was. She wasn't the one who went to kick him out all those times, Vernon was. She went with whatever Vernon did, but she herself never tried to ban him from going. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
nooo i mean the first day harry was going to hogwarts when she didnt tell him how to get through platform 9 and 3/4 _________________
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nooo i mean the first day harry was going to hogwarts when she didnt tell him how to get through platform 9 and 3/4
lol, she got him there, the rest is up to him.
She very well might have thought that Hagrid told him how. She got him there, which is far more than Vernon initially wanted to do, so Harry was grateful enough for that, as we all should be. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
dude, u have things wrong imo, the fact that she was a bit more decent to harry than vernon doesnt say much about her, to me she's still b****
and ur not remembering the 1st book correctly, vernon went like "oh we have platform 9 and platform 10, there is no platform 9 and 3/4, good luck getting in" or something of the sort and even though it was obvious that harry didnt know how to get through the platform, petunia didnt bother telling him _________________
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dude, u have things wrong imo, the fact that she was a bit more decent to harry than vernon doesnt say much about her, to me she's still b****
and ur not remembering the 1st book correctly, vernon went like "oh we have platform 9 and platform 10, there is no platform 9 and 3/4, good luck getting in" or something of the sort and even though it was obvious that harry didnt know how to get through the platform, petunia didnt bother telling him
lol, I'm remembering it perfectly.
You're straying way off the original question and twisting my words around, please stop.
The question I meant to answer was
"and why would she have wanted to help harry anyway? she probably thought that if harry couldnt get to the train then he wouldnt go at hogwarts at all, stupid as the idea is"
I said, she didn't have a choice, DD would have known anyway. You said she didn't help, I said by her not stopping Vernon was help enough. You asked why she didn't tell him how to get onto the Platform, i said because she didn't want to and getting him there was enough.. There really isn't much left to argue with.
The fact of the matter is, harry needed to not know because JKR wants him to ask Mrs. Weasley so there would be interaction and she would see wha a nice, polite boy he was and see that he was all alone.
Petunia aided Vernon in getting him to the train station, but didn't care how he got on to the Platform. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
You're straying way off the original question and twisting my words around, please stop.
im not twisting ur words, im quoting
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I said, she didn't have a choice, DD would have known anyway
she did have a choice, she could perfectly well have beem deliberately unhelpfull and what makes you think she knew how much power dumbledore had? and how relevant harry was to the wizarding society? we dont know that at all
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you said she didn't help, I said by her not stopping Vernon was help enough.
now ur the one twisting the question, im asking about the platform thingy and you're adding this to the matter
and yet again, we dont really know, we dont know why vernon decided to take harry there, more than for the fact that he already was taking dudley nearby
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You asked why she didn't tell him how to get onto the Platform, i said because she didn't want to and getting him there was enough.. There really isn't much left to argue with.
in my book, tha is being deliberately unhelpful, thereforeproving me right, that she wasnt a bit interested in helping him to get to hogwarts
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The fact of the matter is, harry needed to not know because JKR wants him to ask Mrs. Weasley so there would be interaction and she would see wha a nice, polite boy he was and see that he was all alone.
whatever it was for, it was still bad of petunia and shows how careless she was for her nephew
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well, that proves that she was a b**** alright, it wouldnt have taken her 1 minute to exlain him, but she didnt cause she didnt care for him one bit _________________
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she did have a choice, she could perfectly well have beem deliberately unhelpfull and what makes you think she knew how much power dumbledore had? and how relevant harry was to the wizarding society? we dont know that at all
She knew DD knew enough to change the address on his Hogwarts envelope. She also knew enough that a huge giant could storm down their house at any moment. She knew enough that Voldemort killed her sister and brother in law.
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now ur the one twisting the question, im asking about the platform thingy and you're adding this to the matter
and yet again, we dont really know, we dont know why vernon decided to take harry there, more than for the fact that he already was taking dudley nearby
YOU asked the follow-up question, I only answered it with what I thought was an obvious answer. I guess I should have ended with "in my opinion" as I always have to do now since everyone thinks I'm a smartass.
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in my book, tha is being deliberately unhelpful, thereforeproving me right, that she wasnt a bit interested in helping him to get to hogwarts
I don't think she was being deliberatly unhelpful, I just don't think she cared enough to give more information. I think she'd rather just assume or hope that Harry knew how to get on. And if worse comes to worse he gets to come back and she can go back to abusing him. I think sh erobably felt pretty indifferent to the outcome since either way she wins. She either gets rid of him for teh school yearor gets to abuse him for the school year. It's a win-win situation for him, so i don't think she went out of her way to withhold info, I think she did just beacuse she didn't care enough about the outcome to open her mouth.
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whatever it was for, it was still bad of petunia and shows how careless she was for her nephew
This is what upsets you? Never mind she just spent the past several years compleetly abusing the boy... her just leaving him at a train station should not have come as a surprise.
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well, that proves that she was a b**** alright, it wouldnt have taken her 1 minute to exlain him, but she didnt cause she didnt care for him one bit
Exactly, she didn't care either way. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
She knew DD knew enough to change the address on his Hogwarts envelope. She also knew enough that a huge giant could storm down their house at any moment
ur again guessing, we dont know she knows that, imo she's not that smart and didnt realise all of this stuff very well
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YOU asked the follow-up question, I only answered it with what I thought was an obvious answer. I guess I should have ended with "in my opinion" as I always have to do now since everyone thinks I'm a smartass.
what question are u talking about?
and i never called u a smartass, we just all agree that u have the more extensive and fresh knowledge of the hp series, that doesnt mean that ur theories have to be right
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I don't think she was being deliberatly unhelpful, I just don't think she cared enough to give more information.
sounds about the same to me, she was being unhelpful on purpose cause she didnt care for harry
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I think she'd rather just assume or hope that Harry knew how to get on. And if worse comes to worse he gets to come back and she can go back to abusing him
then ur agreeing she did consider the possibility of him not going to hogwarts if she didnt help him and that might be the reason for her not helping, arent u?
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I think sh erobably felt pretty indifferent to the outcome since either way she wins. She either gets rid of him for teh school yearor gets to abuse him for the school year. It's a win-win situation for him, so i don't think she went out of her way to withhold info, I think she did just beacuse she didn't care enough about the outcome to open her mouth.
well i dont know what we're arguing about then, thats just what i said, that she didnt help him on purpose because she didnt care and to screw him
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This is what upsets you? Never mind she just spent the past several years compleetly abusing the boy... her just leaving him at a train station should not have come as a surprise.
ur the one who just said that convincing vernon to take him to the platform station was doing a lot, even though she didnt tell him about the platform, so i went like "no, it is not enough, this just shows a bit more of how much of a b**** she is"
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Exactly, she didn't care either way.
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I just want you two to go back and read this entire thread again. You are on two different tangents, and the weird thing is that you almost completely agree with each other. The only difference is that Ginny has filled in the blanks that Jo left with her own though process. bery, you did ask for an opinion as to what Petunia's motives are. Ginny, I don't think taht she was twisting you words. I just think that she was asking why Petunia didn't help Harry in that one point in time, and she didn't understand why you were explaining Petunia's motives in the back-story leading up to that.
Then it just got way confusing from there.
I have to say that I slightly agree with Ginny. Petunia didn't help, but she didn't not help, either. She knew that this situation was out of her hands. She didn't have magic to fight back with, but there was no way that she could have explained that to Vernon. She definately had to know that DD would have arranged for Harry to be fetched if he didn't show up to school. She definately got pleasure over watching Harry sweat it when they left him there with no idea, though. _________________
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lol i still <3 ginny if thats what ur worried about
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Petunia didn't help, but she didn't not help, either. She knew that this situation was out of her hands.
what situation are u talking about? the him finding out how on earth to go through the platform?
dude, you girls are going way out of the main subject here, we already know that petunia was slightly better than vernon so she might have been a bit more tolerant on harry than him (not that it was a big difference to my eyes), but what we were discussing here is why she didnt tell him what she already knew
i say, she was just being mean to him as usual, just without him finding out, and probably because she didnt like admiting the fact that she knew stuff about "their" world
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She definately had to know that DD would have arranged for Harry to be fetched if he didn't show up to school.
im not too sure about that, since she doesnt understand magic all that well and doesnt seem that smart imo
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She definately got pleasure over watching Harry sweat it when they left him there with no idea, though.
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lol i still <3 ginny if thats what ur worried about
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Petunia didn't help, but she didn't not help, either. She knew that this situation was out of her hands.
what situation are u talking about? the him finding out how on earth to go through the platform?
dude, you girls are going way out of the main subject here, we already know that petunia was slightly better than vernon so she might have been a bit more tolerant on harry than him (not that it was a big difference to my eyes), but what we were discussing here is why she didnt tell him what she already knew
i say, she was just being mean to him as usual, just without him finding out, and probably because she didnt like admiting the fact that she knew stuff about "their" world
I was talking in general, but also about that specific moment at the same time. She was being spiteful and trying to save face by not giving Harry that information, but I thought that I pretty much said all of that already.
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She definately had to know that DD would have arranged for Harry to be fetched if he didn't show up to school.
im not too sure about that, since she doesnt understand magic all that well and doesnt seem that smart imo
Petunia was not stupid. She feigned ignorance with the best of them, but remember who we are talking about here. We are talking about a woman who wrote a letter to one of the most powerful wizards and managed to get it to him as a little girl. She knew about the wizarding world . . . about Voldemort and all of the terrifying secrets that this world kept. WE have seen proof of this many times throughout the novels. I don't necessarily see Petunia as a bad or dumb person . . . just a bitter one. Bitterness can make any one look like a fool if she refuses to budge a litte. You have to break through that wall in order to see the real person, though. That's why Jo gave us the back story of Petunia. We got to see her childhood self before she ever became bitter. She was much more cautious that Lily as a child, but she was certainly not stupid.
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She definately got pleasure over watching Harry sweat it when they left him there with no idea, though.
totally agree, she was mean indeed
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I was talking in general, but also about that specific moment at the same time. She was being spiteful and trying to save face by not giving Harry that information, but I thought that I pretty much said all of that already.
i agree with you in this, but you said "she didnt not help" and i think she was being deliberately unhelpful, therefore not helping, i dont think there is other way to it
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Petunia was not stupid. She feigned ignorance with the best of them, but remember who we are talking about here. We are talking about a woman who wrote a letter to one of the most powerful wizards and managed to get it to him as a little girl. She knew about the wizarding world . . . about Voldemort and all of the terrifying secrets that this world kept. WE have seen proof of this many times throughout the novels. I don't necessarily see Petunia as a bad or dumb person . . . just a bitter one. Bitterness can make any one look like a fool if she refuses to budge a litte. You have to break through that wall in order to see the real person, though. That's why Jo gave us the back story of Petunia. We got to see her childhood self before she ever became bitter. She was much more cautious that Lily as a child, but she was certainly not stupid.
i didnt say she was stupid, i said she wasnt that smart
and i really dont think she was that informed about the wizarding world, she seems to know some things she heard from petunia and even the bit she read in dumble's letter, that isnt knowing much really
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She was, and it saddens me that she could feel that way toward her nephew . . . the son he her once beloved sister.
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I was talking in general, but also about that specific moment at the same time. She was being spiteful and trying to save face by not giving Harry that information, but I thought that I pretty much said all of that already.
i agree with you in this, but you said "she didnt not help" and i think she was being deliberately unhelpful, therefore not helping, i dont think there is other way to it
I see where you're getting at, and I guess that it is true in that sense.
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Petunia was not stupid. She feigned ignorance with the best of them, but remember who we are talking about here. We are talking about a woman who wrote a letter to one of the most powerful wizards and managed to get it to him as a little girl. She knew about the wizarding world . . . about Voldemort and all of the terrifying secrets that this world kept. WE have seen proof of this many times throughout the novels. I don't necessarily see Petunia as a bad or dumb person . . . just a bitter one. Bitterness can make any one look like a fool if she refuses to budge a litte. You have to break through that wall in order to see the real person, though. That's why Jo gave us the back story of Petunia. We got to see her childhood self before she ever became bitter. She was much more cautious that Lily as a child, but she was certainly not stupid.
i didnt say she was stupid, i said she wasnt that smart
and i really dont think she was that informed about the wizarding world, she seems to know some things she heard from petunia and even the bit she read in dumble's letter, that isnt knowing much really
I agree with Ginny. I think that you are seriously underestimatin Petunia. She knew a lot about the wizarding world. She didn't just hear things from Lily. Lily was a family person. I'm certain that she kept her family well-informed about the wizarding world. Also, Petunia has been to platform 9 3/4, so I'm pretty sure that it's safe to assume that she has been to Diagon Alley quite a few times as well. Saying that she isn't smart is the same as saying that she's stupid. What are you is you're not smart? You're stupid. She isn't stupid or ignorant. She just likes to pretend to be both in order to avoid admitting her insecurities. She kind of does the opposire of what Hermione does. Hermione plays up her intelligence to make up for her insecurities. Petunia dumbs herself downs and allows herself to be influenced by others in order to compensate for her insecurities.
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