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PostPosted: May 12, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: King's Cross Reply with quote

How do you perceive where/what exactly it was that Harry thought to resemble King's Cross Station? I suppose I view it as a sort of Limbo. Dumbledore said he had a choice between moving on, or going back to finish off Voldemort, which kind of signifies a Limbo-like state. I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but having read through the series for the first time(I've read 4-7 multiple times, but this was the first time having read every book straight through), I thought it would nice to find a HP forum to discuss all of the things I don't have finite answers for.

On a side note, I love this excerpt from the end of Harry and Dumbledore's conversation:

"Tell me one last thing," said Harry. "Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?" Dumbledore beamed at him, and his voice sounded loud and strong in Harry's ears even though the bright mist was descending again, obscuring his figure.

"Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"
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PostPosted: May 12, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try here...

Spoiler:

2. Did Harry die?
Rowling wrote this very carefully, so it could be read two ways. "Did he just go into a state of unconsciousness in which his subconscious tells him everything he needs to know? Dumbledore doesn't tell him anything he couldn't have figured out with some educated guesses." But in her mind, Harry entered a limbo between life and death, and faced a choice about which way to go.

She explains on her website that this encounter involves some very deep laws of magic, which Voldemort himself did not understand: "Having taken Harry's blood into himself, Voldemort is keeping alive Lily's protective power over Harry — except that the power of Lily's sacrifice is a positive force that not only continues to tether Harry to life, but gives Voldemort himself one last chance ... Voldemort has unwittingly put a few drops of goodness back inside himself; if he had repented, he could have been healed more deeply than anyone would have supposed. But of course, he refused to feel remorse." Also, since Voldemort is using the Elder wand, which actually belongs to Harry, neither the Cruciatus or the killing curse work properly. "The Avada Kedavra curse, however, is so powerful that it does hurt Harry, and also succeeds in killing the part of him that is not truly him, in other words, the fragment of Voldemort's own soul that is still clinging to his. The curse also disables Harry severely enough that he could have succumbed to death if he had chosen that path."

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_1695388_1695569,00.html




or here...

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At the end of book seven Harry has a long conversation with Dumbledore. Who actually is dead but looks better and happier he has ever looked, in a beautiful light space which Harry thinks resembles King's Cross Station.
You can interpret that conversation in two ways. Either Harry is unconscious, everything Dumbledore tells him he already knew deep inside. In that state of unconsciousness his mind travels further. Dumbledore is in that case Harry's personification of wisdom; he sees Dumbledore in his head so he can come to certain insights.Or Harry has traveled to a place between life and death. From which Dumbledore and he will leave in opposite directions. Harry also sees there what becomes of Voldemort. He doesn't exactly know what's that heap that lies there on the floor in anguish, but he doesn't want to touch it; He feels it's a fundamentally evil and perverse creature. It's the only time that Harry the hero of the vulnerable, is in the presence of someone who's hurt and doesn't come to their aid.
http://www.potterforums.com/about12607.html




There is also here...
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Section: F.A.Q.
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What exactly happened when Voldemort used the Avada Kedavra curse on Harry in the forest?
Again, Voldemort violated deep laws of magic he did not understand, but there is more to it than that.

Having taken Harry’s blood into himself, Voldemort is keeping alive Lily’s protective power over Harry. So Voldemort himself acts almost like a Horcrux for Harry – except that the power of Lily’s sacrifice is a positive force that not only continues to tether Harry to life, but gives Voldemort himself one last chance (Dumbledore refers to this last hope in chapter 35). Voldemort has unwittingly put a few drops of goodness back inside himself; if he had repented, he could have been healed more deeply than anyone would have supposed. But, of course, he refused to feel remorse.

Voldemort is also using the Elder Wand - the wand that is really Harry’s. It does not work properly against its true owner; no curse Voldemort casts on Harry functions properly; neither the Cruciatus curse nor the Killing Curse. The Avada Kedavra curse, however, is so powerful that it does hurt Harry, and also succeeds in killing the part of him that is not truly him, in other words, the fragment of Voldemort’s own soul still clinging to his. The curse also disables Harry severely enough that he could have succumbed to death if he had chosen that path (again, Dumbledore says he has a choice whether or not to wake up). But Harry does decide to struggle back to consciousness, capitalises on Lily’s ‘escape route’, and pulls himself back to the realm of the living.

It is important to state that I always saw these kinds of magic (the very deepest life and death issues) as essentially un-scientific; in other words, there is no “Elder Wand + Lily’s Blood = Assured Survival” formula. What count, ultimately, are Harry and Voldemort’s own choices. They have each been given certain weapons and safeguards, but the power of these objects and past happenings lie in how they are understood, and how they are used or enacted upon. Harry has a deeper and truer understanding of the meaning of the objects and past events, but his greatest powers, those that save him, are free will, courage and moral certainty.
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=122




And, of course... the infamous Bloomsbury Chat
Spoiler:

Elisabeth: In the chapter of kings cross, are they behind the veil or in some world between the real world and the veil?
J.K. Rowling: You can make up your own mind on this, but I think that Harry entered a kind of limbo between life and death.

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2007/0730-bloomsbury-chat.html




Also, try one of these links...
http://www.potterforums.com/about7109.html
http://www.potterforums.com/about5892.html
http://www.potterforums.com/about5669.html
http://www.potterforums.com/about5622.html
http://www.potterforums.com/about5714.html
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PostPosted: May 12, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I guess those all kind of reinforce my assumptions.
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PostPosted: May 12, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please continue discussion in one of the links provided above.


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