Yes, well, I mean, he is a nice guy and all, but he often has just luck. In the last books he doesn't behave childishly any more, as in the first books, but still a little bit.
Maybe I'm just less sympathetic to the whole deal. Nearly being killed twice before, and nearly seeing many friends die and when a guy he barely knows dies he goes and complains. It just seems like he would have been affected before then. It was annoying because it wasn't slow, it was sudden. Just like him getting over it. It was only in the 5th book.
thats not true, we see his temper before then a couple of times, but of course it was going to be worse when he reached 15
and you would see that all that you mentioned added up to his anger if you just bothered to open your eyes a bit, look at all the things you just listed yourself! who wouldnt complain and angst after all of that!
and his friends nearly died, dont compare that with actually seeing someone murdered before your eyes, that has to be very traumatizing for a 14 year old
it wasnt only the 5th book, read the series again cause you obviously missed several parts
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(Psychologically speaking, it's unrealistic in context with everything else he's gone through. If it had been the only incident and had lasted longer, it would have fit.)
it fits perfectly fine, i would like to see you in his shoes
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There is a difference between depression and angst. He was angsting. I find angst the most annoying thing in the world.
angst = bottled up pain, in case you didnt realize
and it is depression he experiences after sirius dies, that much is obvious
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Yes, well, I mean, he is a nice guy and all, but he often has just luck
im amazed when people say this, its as though they have just had amnesia and forgot that most of his life really sucks, you only remember his luck in surviving
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In the last books he doesn't behave childishly any more, as in the first books, but still a little bit.
er... i dont know what your referring to, honestly, if ur talking about the first 3 books then maybe it could be, because he was still kind of a kid, wasnt he? but i still cant recall seeing any particular childness _________________
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er... i dont know what your referring to, honestly, if ur talking about the first 3 books then maybe it could be, because he was still kind of a kid, wasnt he? but i still cant recall seeing any particular childness
Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about. Yes, maybe you can say he was kinda kid, whatsoever...
Well, again, there would be a more obvious slow progression. And again, I have less sympathy about the whole thing. I've seen someone get killed and nearly get killed myself, I didn't go and angst over it. Admittedly, I was older than 14 at the time.
I just don't like him in the fifth book. I'm allowed to. So stop arguing for the sake of it. _________________ I don't think I like you much. Deal with it.
The fifth book is definitely Harry at his most annoying.
I just am not fond of the character myself. He's a good hero for the story and all, but I rarely ever am very interested in the hero of a story. I always find the side characters to more intriguing. I don't hate Harry, but he bores me. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Well, again, there would be a more obvious slow progression. And again, I have less sympathy about the whole thing. I've seen someone get killed and nearly get killed myself, I didn't go and angst over it. Admittedly, I was older than 14 at the time.
I just don't like him in the fifth book. I'm allowed to. So stop arguing for the sake of it.
hey the moment you get tired you can just stop posting, you know? i have fun doing this
its not only the seeing someone die that is affecting him, he also was tortured and humilliated with all the death eaters laughing around
and dont forget that in 5th year he also has a lot of voldy in his head, which just adds to it all
the unfairness that he lives in is enough to anger anyone, especially a teenager and i dont think its just as sudden as you're making it sound, we see a bit of his temper before 5th book, and 15 is an age of big changes and confusion so it suits that it should happen then
also, i think that sort of experiences affect you more the younger you are, when your personality and your understanding of stuff is in full development, and you are going throuhg so many changes
and ok, you didnt like him in the 5th book, i get it, you like him the perfect hero who puts up with it all quietly and is always good, ok, good luck finding that in the real world
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The fifth book is definitely Harry at his most annoying.
in my opinion he is at his most human _________________
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The fifth book is definitely Harry at his most annoying.
in my opinion he is at his most human
Exactly -- I like HArry best in this book. He pisses me off quite a bit, but it makes me feel closer to him somehow. _________________
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^ you know what? believe it or not, he pissed me off too the first time i read the 5th book (although its more understandable cause he wasnt my fave character yet then)
but then, two years later i read the 6th book and then reread book 5 and having grown up a bit, i decided to see it with other eyes, imagening really being harry myself, what i would really and honestly do if i were him in those situations
and then it made perfect sense to me, i would end up far far worse than him, no less because i used to have a temper to reckon with, and im really not half as good as he is, so im sure i would've done much worse
we see him get out of that difficult phase, managing to find himself again, to come to terms with his life and the awfulness thats happening to him and instead of continuing in that state what does he do? he grows up into an even better and stronger person than he was before, i think we can see that clearly in the two last books
so now, everytime i read it, i simply feel sorry for him, because i keep thinking of the pain he is in and how i would do so much worse than him, it is so much better and so much hard to read it that way, thats why its never gonna be my fave book zenny _________________
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^ There were a couple of times in book 5 where he annoyed me... but I also understood it. I was okay with him annoying me beacuse, well, I think that sometimes people can be annoying.
Like after the hospital trip when he locked himself away with Witherwings.... it was annoying. But I loved how Hermione came over and dragged him out of there and Ginny was able to talk to him and make him feel better. But could you really lame him for being moody? He thought he was possessed by Voldmeort and putting everyone he cared about in danger. I'd be moody, too, lol. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
^ yes actually its funny cause everyone confuses the book with the movie, that harry all the time acts like the misunderstood when in the books it only happens in that part, in the movies it happens all the time, thats annoying in my opinion lol
sorry a bit away from the subect but let me ask you something about that part, ginny explains to harry that he is not possesed by voldy because he remembers everything he does right?
but i think she was wrong, cause they are different kinds of possesion, harry remembers everything after voldy possesed him in the ministry
what do u think gin? _________________
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sorry a bit away from the subect but let me ask you something about that part, ginny explains to harry that he is not possesed by voldy because he remembers everything he does right?
but i think she was wrong, cause they are different kinds of possesion, harry remembers everything after voldy possesed him in the ministry
what do u think gin?
yeah, as you said, before the Ministry Harry wasn't possessed because, as Ginny said, he remembers everything he does. There are no periods of black outs.
The possessions were incredibly different, since Harry's was more about the legilimancy and the Horcrux in his head, imo. So yeah, I would thinkt hat would make a difference. Wait, let me go check my book... I'll repost here as soon as I can... _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
thanks, i thought so, since harry can remember it and all
okay.. I checked the book.... it mentions the scar in his head, which hurts him so badly he almost wants DD to end the pain. It makes me think that this particular possession is definitely different than the one Ginny experienced because of the differences, such as, it was Voldemort himself and not a horcrux and all that stuff. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
and i liked what you said, that he was a bit annoying in that book but its ok because everyone can be a bit annoying sometimes but we have to forgive them for it, especially if its in unusual circumstances, like if they are having a difficult time at the moment _________________
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and i liked what you said, that he was a bit annoying in that book but its ok because everyone can be a bit annoying sometimes but we have to forgive them for it, especially if its in unusual circumstances, like if they are having a difficult time at the moment
yeah, difficult time, like seeing your godfather get killed then finding out you might be possessed by a crazed killer. lol, I have no problems with Harry's angst... at least he doesn't resort to drugs or something like that as some other kids in his situation might do. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
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