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lozinja
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So in the beginning of PS, hagrid says he borrowed sirius' bike to go get harry after his parents were killed.
what i don't get is that if everyone thought sirius was the secret keeper, and voldemort found the potters, shouldn't everyone automatically blame sirius. and so why did hagrid borrow the bike from sirius and not be mad at him or anything??
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Hagrid didn't know, only Dumbledore knew and he apparently just told everyone afterwards.
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| Posted: April 14, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Sirius' Bike |
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So in the beginning of PS, hagrid says he borrowed sirius' bike to go get harry after his parents were killed.
what i don't get is that if everyone thought sirius was the secret keeper, and voldemort found the potters, shouldn't everyone automatically blame sirius. and so why did hagrid borrow the bike from sirius and not be mad at him or anything?? |
If every one knew that Sirius was the secret-keeper, then that would pretty much defeat the purpose of having one now wouldn't it. Nobody knew but DD that Sirius was the secret keeper -- just like no one but sirius knew that Wormtail was changed to the new secret keeper.
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Hagrid was probably one of the few who didn't know Sirius was secret keeper
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| Posted: April 17, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Sirius' Bike |
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So in the beginning of PS, hagrid says he borrowed sirius' bike to go get harry after his parents were killed.
what i don't get is that if everyone thought sirius was the secret keeper, and voldemort found the potters, shouldn't everyone automatically blame sirius. and so why did hagrid borrow the bike from sirius and not be mad at him or anything?? |
im sure the news of sirius having been the secret keeper took at least a day or two to spread around
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Yeah, Hagrid may not know it. He shoute at the pub in Hogsmeade that Sisius is a murderin' traitor, Hagrid may not know.
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In book... 3.. yes its definitly three... hagrid says he comforted sirius before he agreed to let hagrid take the bike and pick up Harry. Hagrid said he had no idea and he wouldnt have know Sirius was the secret keeper because only DD, Sirius, Lily and James and Peter Pettigrew knew. DD wouldnt have told Hagrid about sirius
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| In book... 3.. yes its definitly three... hagrid says he comforted sirius before he agreed to let hagrid take the bike and pick up Harry. Hagrid said he had no idea and he wouldnt have know Sirius was the secret keeper because only DD, Sirius, Lily and James and Peter Pettigrew knew. DD wouldnt have told Hagrid about sirius |
oh i had forgotten that! yes that makes sense and there was no way dumble would've told anyone who the secret keeper was, too dangerous
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| In book... 3.. yes its definitly three... hagrid says he comforted sirius before he agreed to let hagrid take the bike and pick up Harry. Hagrid said he had no idea and he wouldnt have know Sirius was the secret keeper because only DD, Sirius, Lily and James and Peter Pettigrew knew. DD wouldnt have told Hagrid about sirius |
oh i had forgotten that! yes that makes sense and there was no way dumble would've told anyone who the secret keeper was, too dangerous |
Exactly... if he had told everybody about it, it wouldnt be a secret anymore. It i supposed to be only known by the people involved... in this case the caster (dumbledore) the protected (The potters) and the Secret keeper (sirius)
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| In book... 3.. yes its definitly three... hagrid says he comforted sirius before he agreed to let hagrid take the bike and pick up Harry. Hagrid said he had no idea and he wouldnt have know Sirius was the secret keeper because only DD, Sirius, Lily and James and Peter Pettigrew knew. DD wouldnt have told Hagrid about sirius |
oh i had forgotten that! yes that makes sense and there was no way dumble would've told anyone who the secret keeper was, too dangerous |
Exactly... if he had told everybody about it, it wouldnt be a secret anymore. It i supposed to be only known by the people involved... in this case the caster (dumbledore) the protected (The potters) and the Secret keeper (sirius) |
wait, so did dumbledore know sirius was innocent then? if he was the caster he would have had to know about the change of secret keepers to wormtail
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| In book... 3.. yes its definitly three... hagrid says he comforted sirius before he agreed to let hagrid take the bike and pick up Harry. Hagrid said he had no idea and he wouldnt have know Sirius was the secret keeper because only DD, Sirius, Lily and James and Peter Pettigrew knew. DD wouldnt have told Hagrid about sirius |
oh i had forgotten that! yes that makes sense and there was no way dumble would've told anyone who the secret keeper was, too dangerous |
Exactly... if he had told everybody about it, it wouldnt be a secret anymore. It i supposed to be only known by the people involved... in this case the caster (dumbledore) the protected (The potters) and the Secret keeper (sirius) |
wait, so did dumbledore know sirius was innocent then? if he was the caster he would have had to know about the change of secret keepers to wormtail |
Wait... no. Okay. DD thought that Sirius was the Secret keeper. But he wasn't, it was Wormtail.
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Yeah, But. Sirius let Wormtail become the Secret-Keeper only because Sirius thought that Voldemort knew that Sirius was the Secret-Keeper. So he changed it so that Voldemort thought Sirius was the Keeper, but really Wormtail was the Secret-Keeper.
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| Yeah, But. Sirius let Wormtail become the Secret-Keeper only because Sirius thought that Voldemort knew that Sirius was the Secret-Keeper. So he changed it so that Voldemort thought Sirius was the Keeper, but really Wormtail was the Secret-Keeper. |
Forgot to add the point that Sirius didn't know Wormtail was working for Voldemort 
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| Yeah, But. Sirius let Wormtail become the Secret-Keeper only because Sirius thought that Voldemort knew that Sirius was the Secret-Keeper. So he changed it so that Voldemort thought Sirius was the Keeper, but really Wormtail was the Secret-Keeper. |
Forgot to add the point that Sirius didn't know Wormtail was working for Voldemort |
Also, Sirius didn't trust Lupin, he thought Lupin was the secret agent. So that was why they changed last minute without telling anyone. To throw Lupin off.
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| In book... 3.. yes its definitly three... hagrid says he comforted sirius before he agreed to let hagrid take the bike and pick up Harry. Hagrid said he had no idea and he wouldnt have know Sirius was the secret keeper because only DD, Sirius, Lily and James and Peter Pettigrew knew. DD wouldnt have told Hagrid about sirius |
oh i had forgotten that! yes that makes sense and there was no way dumble would've told anyone who the secret keeper was, too dangerous |
Exactly... if he had told everybody about it, it wouldnt be a secret anymore. It i supposed to be only known by the people involved... in this case the caster (dumbledore) the protected (The potters) and the Secret keeper (sirius) |
wait, so did dumbledore know sirius was innocent then? if he was the caster he would have had to know about the change of secret keepers to wormtail |
Wait... no. Okay. DD thought that Sirius was the Secret keeper. But he wasn't, it was Wormtail. |
no but if dumbledore was the one who cast the spell he would have had to know that wormtail was actually the secretkeeper. did dumbledore know that?? i can't remember...
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no but if dumbledore was the one who cast the spell he would have had to know that wormtail was actually the secretkeeper. did dumbledore know that?? i can't remember... |
It doesn't say that DD cast the spell... I would think that only the spell casters woud know, since that is how the Charm works. DD didn't know that Wormtail was the secret keeper and not Sirius.
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| Yeah, But. Sirius let Wormtail become the Secret-Keeper only because Sirius thought that Voldemort knew that Sirius was the Secret-Keeper. So he changed it so that Voldemort thought Sirius was the Keeper, but really Wormtail was the Secret-Keeper. |
Forgot to add the point that Sirius didn't know Wormtail was working for Voldemort |
Also, Sirius didn't trust Lupin, he thought Lupin was the secret agent. So that was why they changed last minute without telling anyone. To throw Lupin off. |
Oh, yah! I forgot about that part. Thanks Gin! 
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no but if dumbledore was the one who cast the spell he would have had to know that wormtail was actually the secretkeeper. did dumbledore know that?? i can't remember... |
It doesn't say that DD cast the spell... I would think that only the spell casters woud know, since that is how the Charm works. DD didn't know that Wormtail was the secret keeper and not Sirius. |
Im sure it said DD did cast the spell. Because he organised it... im sure and he said somewhere that he had asked the potter did they REALLY want Sirius as the secret Keeper.. But James trusted him with his life
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no but if dumbledore was the one who cast the spell he would have had to know that wormtail was actually the secretkeeper. did dumbledore know that?? i can't remember... |
It doesn't say that DD cast the spell... I would think that only the spell casters woud know, since that is how the Charm works. DD didn't know that Wormtail was the secret keeper and not Sirius. |
Im sure it said DD did cast the spell. Because he organised it... im sure and he said somewhere that he had asked the potter did they REALLY want Sirius as the secret Keeper.. But James trusted him with his life |
DD did not know they switched to Wormtail at the last minute.
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^Gin's right, DD didn't know about the switch he ended up knowing by having one of this 'thoerios' that he happens to always get right.
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DD heard the story from Sirius when they got back to Hogwarts. He believed him, Harry and Hermione. Perhaps he used legilimens on Sirius? Just a thought I had. I'm not sure if DD theorized it might not have been Sirius all along. He might have been suspicious.
I do think it's interesting that while Sirius thought it might be Luin, DD trusted Lupin all along. Perhaps DD did suspect it was Wormtail all these years. I would need to reread the book again to remember my initial thoughts since my head is now spinning. I really hate discussing the time turner.  I saw the movie last night and it certainly seemed like DD knew the truth all along, but I don't take the movies as canon. I'll need to reread PoA, after I finish rereading DH, like I told DM I would.
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DD heard the story from Sirius when they got back to Hogwarts. He believed him, Harry and Hermione. Perhaps he used legilimens on Sirius? Just a thought I had. I'm not sure if DD theorized it might not have been Sirius all along. He might have been suspicious.
I do think it's interesting that while Sirius thought it might be Luin, DD trusted Lupin all along. Perhaps DD did suspect it was Wormtail all these years. I would need to reread the book again to remember my initial thoughts since my head is now spinning. I really hate discussing the time turner. I saw the movie last night and it certainly seemed like DD knew the truth all along, but I don't take the movies as canon. I'll need to reread PoA, after I finish rereading DH, like I told DM I would. |
Ya it did seem like DD knew all along that he knew Sirius was innocent. I never thought of him using Ligilimens on Sirius though, thats an interesting thoughy.
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