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| why Hermione was afraid to call Volntemort with his real name?Her parents were mangles,she learned about Volntremor din the same way that Harry did. |
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| Posted: April 19, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Hermione knew who Voldemort was and who Harry was when she met Harry on the train. She heard the story from books. Harry heard the story from Hagrid. Each learned the story in different ways and had different reactions. Harry couldn't understand why anyone would be afraid of a name. Hermione was probably in awe when she read the story. Their reactions to the story were different is all. That happens sometimes and they often have different reactions throughout the books.
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| Posted: April 19, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: Re: . |
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| why Hermione was afraid to call Volntemort with his real name?Her parents were mangles,she learned about Volntremor din the same way that Harry did. |
lol you're writing those words weirdly
but i totally agree with you, it doesnt make any sense that muggleborns should be as terrified of saying the name as the rest
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| Posted: April 19, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: Re: . |
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| bery26 wrote: |
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| why Hermione was afraid to call Volntemort with his real name?Her parents were mangles,she learned about Volntremor din the same way that Harry did. |
lol you're writing those words weirdly
but i totally agree with you, it doesnt make any sense that muggleborns should be as terrified of saying the name as the rest |
The words are fine, just in another language. 
Not all muggleborns were afraid. Look at Dean and his mom. He believed Harry because he knew Harry and trusted him. Hermione was afraid of the name because of what she had been told. She had read to fear the name. And you know how much Hermione relies on and believes in her books. She gets upset when they fail her.
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dean said voldy's name? i dont remember that
and it still sounds ridiculous to me that someone so logical as hermy would be scared off by the name of a guy who was currently gone
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dean said voldy's name? i dont remember that
and it still sounds ridiculous to me that someone so logical as hermy would be scared off by the name of a guy who was currently gone |
*slaps her forehead* I mean that he listened to harry and formed his own opinions about what he thought, not about what others drilled into him or what he read ina book.
Hermione puts her faith into what she reads. Logic aside, she was more than willing to believe in magic without questioning it. She was told theS wasn't real, but it was. She was told not to worry about the Philosopher's Stone, that it was safe. It wasn't. There is no doubt that Hermione is a rational person. And her getting past the potion part of the trial in PS/SS was a true testament that she was very logical. But we're talking about a series of books where she was attacked by a troll, captured by centaurs, petrified by a basilisk, flew in a broomstick, received letters by an owl.... and you want absolute logic? Hermione relied on her books and believed what they told her. To her, those were the only thing logical in her magical life. I would think she would want to believe what she read in them.
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dean said voldy's name? i dont remember that
and it still sounds ridiculous to me that someone so logical as hermy would be scared off by the name of a guy who was currently gone |
*slaps her forehead* I mean that he listened to harry and formed his own opinions about what he thought, not about what others drilled into him or what he read ina book.
Hermione puts her faith into what she reads. Logic aside, she was more than willing to believe in magic without questioning it. She was told theS wasn't real, but it was. She was told not to worry about the Philosopher's Stone, that it was safe. It wasn't. There is no doubt that Hermione is a rational person. And her getting past the potion part of the trial in PS/SS was a true testament that she was very logical. But we're talking about a series of books where she was attacked by a troll, captured by centaurs, petrified by a basilisk, flew in a broomstick, received letters by an owl.... and you want absolute logic? Hermione relied on her books and believed what they told her. To her, those were the only thing logical in her magical life. I would think she would want to believe what she read in them. |
She was a person who relied on the books that she read. She did read about Voldemort in a book and thought exactly what it said in it. Overtime, after she met Harry, she grew out of that fact and said his name. She was a girl who loved her book and rarley didn't like what she read. She was probably scared of the thing she read about Voldy and therefore feared him like most others in the Wizarding World already did.
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dean said voldy's name? i dont remember that
and it still sounds ridiculous to me that someone so logical as hermy would be scared off by the name of a guy who was currently gone |
*slaps her forehead* I mean that he listened to harry and formed his own opinions about what he thought, not about what others drilled into him or what he read ina book.
Hermione puts her faith into what she reads. Logic aside, she was more than willing to believe in magic without questioning it. She was told theS wasn't real, but it was. She was told not to worry about the Philosopher's Stone, that it was safe. It wasn't. There is no doubt that Hermione is a rational person. And her getting past the potion part of the trial in PS/SS was a true testament that she was very logical. But we're talking about a series of books where she was attacked by a troll, captured by centaurs, petrified by a basilisk, flew in a broomstick, received letters by an owl.... and you want absolute logic? Hermione relied on her books and believed what they told her. To her, those were the only thing logical in her magical life. I would think she would want to believe what she read in them. |
She was a person who relied on the books that she read. She did read about Voldemort in a book and thought exactly what it said in it. Overtime, after she met Harry, she grew out of that fact and said his name. She was a girl who loved her book and rarley didn't like what she read. She was probably scared of the thing she read about Voldy and therefore feared him like most others in the Wizarding World already did. |
yeah, that was what I was trying to say, but probably failed at explaining. Thank you.
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dean said voldy's name? i dont remember that
and it still sounds ridiculous to me that someone so logical as hermy would be scared off by the name of a guy who was currently gone |
*slaps her forehead* I mean that he listened to harry and formed his own opinions about what he thought, not about what others drilled into him or what he read ina book.
Hermione puts her faith into what she reads. Logic aside, she was more than willing to believe in magic without questioning it. She was told theS wasn't real, but it was. She was told not to worry about the Philosopher's Stone, that it was safe. It wasn't. There is no doubt that Hermione is a rational person. And her getting past the potion part of the trial in PS/SS was a true testament that she was very logical. But we're talking about a series of books where she was attacked by a troll, captured by centaurs, petrified by a basilisk, flew in a broomstick, received letters by an owl.... and you want absolute logic? Hermione relied on her books and believed what they told her. To her, those were the only thing logical in her magical life. I would think she would want to believe what she read in them. |
She was a person who relied on the books that she read. She did read about Voldemort in a book and thought exactly what it said in it. Overtime, after she met Harry, she grew out of that fact and said his name. She was a girl who loved her book and rarley didn't like what she read. She was probably scared of the thing she read about Voldy and therefore feared him like most others in the Wizarding World already did. |
yeah, that was what I was trying to say, but probably failed at explaining. Thank you. |
You did fine at explaining it, i just added a couple things in there
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^thank you! I try. Sometimes I suck at explaining things. Like the time turner. Don't ask me to explain anything about the time turner scene in PoA, I fail.
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I was trying, in that paragraph to not say exactly what you said it was diffictult because you explained it really well. Lol, half the time I think I might have just been ranting. The time turer thing though, thats something you need to get yourself because it's friggin' impossible to explain.
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Ranting is always fun.
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Yes, it is. lol I do it often, too.
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dean said voldy's name? i dont remember that
and it still sounds ridiculous to me that someone so logical as hermy would be scared off by the name of a guy who was currently gone |
*slaps her forehead* I mean that he listened to harry and formed his own opinions about what he thought, not about what others drilled into him or what he read ina book.
Hermione puts her faith into what she reads. Logic aside, she was more than willing to believe in magic without questioning it. She was told theS wasn't real, but it was. She was told not to worry about the Philosopher's Stone, that it was safe. It wasn't. There is no doubt that Hermione is a rational person. And her getting past the potion part of the trial in PS/SS was a true testament that she was very logical. But we're talking about a series of books where she was attacked by a troll, captured by centaurs, petrified by a basilisk, flew in a broomstick, received letters by an owl.... and you want absolute logic? Hermione relied on her books and believed what they told her. To her, those were the only thing logical in her magical life. I would think she would want to believe what she read in them. |
well, first off, we dont know how willing she was to believe in magic since we dont know how much it took to convince her that magic existed
then, what does the stuff that happen in the books have anything to do with logic or lack of it? the magic there is presented at first as something wonderful for harry cause he just found out about it, but he soon gets used to it and then the magic world has a logic of its own, like flying is logical but people coming back to life is not (i mean as a full person not what the stone brings back of the person)
even though i still find it a bit ridiculous, it is understandable that all kids with magical parents are afraid of saying voldy's name because they were taught to fear it by their parents and have heard horrible stories about it
the muggleborns, on the other hand, only heard about the name when they were 11, most of them (unlike hermy im sure) didnt even read about voldy but only heard about it from ppl, and they probably didnt have much time before coming to hogwarts to hear that many stories as to scare them enough to not ever say the name, but they are still afraid to say it
the most ridiculous thing is that voldy is gone at the moment and many predicted that he wouldnt be back for many years, some even believed he was dead, the wizarding world was totally at peace at the moment and the muggleborns still are convinced to be afraid of the name, it doesnt make much sense to me
i use the example of hermy because she's a character who's very logical and matter of factly and is the one less likely to be scared off by the stories she hears and what she might read in a book, but still she does
harry's seems to be the most logical reaction, to have a respectful fear for voldy but not to be scared off to not say his name
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Harry does have the most logical reason too and he's not because he always had been different. He really looked up to Dumbledore and Dumbledore never was afraid to say his name so maybe thats one of the reason Harry never did.
Voldemort was around for quite awhile and he made it so people feared him over all. He had it so people called him 'He-who-must-not-be-named- or 'You-Know-Who' and it's just one of those thing. He was more of a mass murderer than the average three, myabe. Which would freak the people out, i think.
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but i dont think it was because harry is different and everything like that
i know voldy is creepy and everything, but he had been gone for a whole decade for crying out loud, who would be afraid of saying his name only after hearing the stories and when they are old enough to be a bit more logical like that?
i know i would have the same reaction as harry, and trust me i aint no special thing
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but i dont think it was because harry is different and everything like that
i know voldy is creepy and everything, but he had been gone for a whole decade for crying out loud, who would be afraid of saying his name only after hearing the stories and when they are old enough to be a bit more logical like that?
i know i would have the same reaction as harry, and trust me i aint no special thing |
I would be like Harry too but I guess J.K Rowling wanted to make the characters fear him just that much that they couldn't even bare to speak his name.
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i dont think it makes much sense 
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Adding to what Ginny said about Hermione trusting books and even adults in general, Hermione was a rule follower. She backed in the structure of rules, and she got gratification from the knowledge that she was doing what she was supposed to. The general ruls in the magic world was that Voldemort was a name not to be uttered. Hermione did what she knew how to do. She followed the rule.
When Hermione started saying th name Voldemort, we saw her finally change from a trusting little girl who always follows the rules to a teen of the verge of adulthood who finally realized that following the rules wasn't just going to make everything all right. It wasn't really about fear of the person for Hermione as it was for the children who had grown up in the wizarding world. For Hermione, it was about doing what was expected of her.
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| The general ruls in the magic world was that Voldemort was a name not to be uttered. Hermione did what she knew how to do. She followed the rule. |
she wasnt just following the rule, she was actually afraid to say it, that doesnt make sense to me
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| The general ruls in the magic world was that Voldemort was a name not to be uttered. Hermione did what she knew how to do. She followed the rule. |
she wasnt just following the rule, she was actually afraid to say it, that doesnt make sense to me |
She was afraid to say it, because she was told to be afraid of it. She did what she was told. It was the fear of breaking a rule more than it was fear of the name.
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it doesnt seem to me that way, she was always smart enough not to believe everything she was told and this certainly seems a ridiculous thing to fear
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