I think it might have been discussed before as well..Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is perhaps, to me even, the best book of the series, competiting with the Deathly Hallows... But the OotP movie was just ridiculus, and so un-realistic... Throwing aside the fact that they did not refer to about half the scenes, they slaughtered a big percentage of the ones they did refer. Particularly...
Snape's Worst Memory:
A wonderful chapter in the book, and a true joke - or nightmare, as in the movie. Very un-descriptive, un-realistic, short and ridiculus. They barely show Snape as he is when he is young... They don't show Lupin and Peter at all (okay, unless they are hiding in the distance or summit) and they do not show how Lily looks when she is young. They as well do not show the whole event - taking aside the quills and finishing the exam, then sliding off to the lake... In short, what did they show?
The Fight:
Good guys are in white and bad guys are in black? Am I supposed to like this? Everyone gets like, owned by the shadows, while in fact it is only the disapparating spell... Most of the Death Eaters are not shown, as Dolohov, who is described throughout the books as a very dangerous one, and Sirius like, what? 1600 A.C sword-fight in France? And Dumbledore vs. Voldemort - where are the statues that were supposed to take an important role? Dumbledore and Voldemort were also having a disapparate-hit-disapparate fight?
Dumbledore's Army:
So now, Cho turned the DA in? Where's her friend and where's this Ernie McMillan guy that is supposed to be taking part in the whole thing? Gief longer duration pl0x kkthx. Since when were they fighting statues or whatever? And Cho's kiss with Harry... mkay.
St. Mungo:
So? Where is it?
Christmas in Grimmauld Place/Summer in Grimmauld Place:
Soo... JKR spends like five/six chapters on these and suddenly they POOF, not quite important for the scenario guy.
Fred and George:
I am really disappointed at this field. It was not amazing, amusing and anything like that, and their participation has got slaughtered in their breakout...
Quidditch:
At least for once, give some quidditch in the movies... it is like a major factor of the books, respect it pl0x kkthxbai.
Dolores Jane Umbridge:
Not evil enough, not ugly enough, kkthx.
Eh. In short, in my opinion... what was good?
The Dursleys part... maybe.. the trip to Grimmauld Place... And euhm... Luna's part. Myeah, good slaughter - movie, I meant.
Your opinions? Was the movie indeed slaughtered or I need a bonk urgently? xD _________________ Fools are invincible...
Snape's Worst Memory:
A wonderful chapter in the book, and a true joke - or nightmare, as in the movie. Very un-descriptive, un-realistic, short and ridiculus. They barely show Snape as he is when he is young... They don't show Lupin and Peter at all (okay, unless they are hiding in the distance or summit) and they do not show how Lily looks when she is young. They as well do not show the whole event - taking aside the quills and finishing the exam, then sliding off to the lake... In short, what did they show?
I agree, they completely ruined this scene in editing. This scene goes on to provide some major foreshadowing in DH. They actually did film this scene properly with a Lily and everything, but it all ended up on teh cutting room floor.
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Dumbledore's Army:
So now, Cho turned the DA in? Where's her friend and where's this Ernie McMillan guy that is supposed to be taking part in the whole thing? Gief longer duration pl0x kkthx. Since when were they fighting statues or whatever? And Cho's kiss with Harry... mkay.
Ernie was left out, along with Susan Bones, Hannah Abbot, Dennis, Colin... the list goes on. Hannah Abbot was actually the one who brings up the fact that Harry c an produce a full patronus. But that line was given to Luna in the films. That actually annoyed me.
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St. Mungo:
So? Where is it?
It got cut out for time.
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Christmas in Grimmauld Place/Summer in Grimmauld Place:
Soo... JKR spends like five/six chapters on these and suddenly they POOF, not quite important for the scenario guy.
yup. *poof* Along with the locket horcrux. I wish them good luck trying to figure that one out when the time comes to explain where the locket was.
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Quidditch:
At least for once, give some quidditch in the movies... it is like a major factor of the books, respect it pl0x kkthxbai.
I hated that they left out the quidditch ban. The ban helped to set off a chain of events... plus, I really wanted "Weasley is Our King" along with Hermione's kiss on his cheek.
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Dolores Jane Umbridge:
Not evil enough, not ugly enough, kkthx.
They made her almost likable when she pulled up the boys' pants and seperated the two kids who were making out. I mean, most schools don't allow that, anyway. And who wants to see some guys' undies hanging out? I wanted to thank her for that one. _________________
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BERY!
Why did Lupin (David Thewlis) have 7-8 lines in the whole film? He was supposed to be there during the 'rescue' of Harry from the Dursleys... this is really annoying me.
Tonks. Why wasn't there more of her in the film?
The fight scene was pitiful, it didn't show a lot of the other characters only Sirius and Harry. And I know, I know. They are the main characters in that fight, but still... should have shown more of the others...
Why did Lupin (David Thewlis) have 7-8 lines in the whole film? He was supposed to be there during the 'rescue' of Harry from the Dursleys... this is really annoying me.
Tonks. Why wasn't there more of her in the film?
This.... annoyed us all.
As for the second part, you answered that for yourself. It's Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, not Ron Weasley and the Order of the Phoenix. As much as we all love the supporting characters, it's just not their story, it's Harry's. _________________
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BERY!
They left out the scene at the end where Umbridge is hysterical at the "clip clop" sounds. ): _________________ You just can't beat that SLYTHERIN pride..
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They didn't even put on the duel against Lupina nd Dolohov and Bellatrix and Tonks, they were like very challenging as I heard in the book. _________________ Padfoot, so brave,
Prongs, so skillful,
Moony, so smart,
Wormtail, so mysterious...
The point is not about the amount of scenes, but of quality too... tell me, who prefers the fight scene in the movie over the one in the book?
They did not just cut some scenes, they slaughtered them... _________________ Fools are invincible...
Snape's Worst Memory:
A wonderful chapter in the book, and a true joke - or nightmare, as in the movie. Very un-descriptive, un-realistic, short and ridiculus. They barely show Snape as he is when he is young... They don't show Lupin and Peter at all (okay, unless they are hiding in the distance or summit) and they do not show how Lily looks when she is young. They as well do not show the whole event - taking aside the quills and finishing the exam, then sliding off to the lake... In short, what did they show?
Plus, it shows it in entirely the wrong context. In the movie, Harry kind of gets the best of Snape one time and sees THAT, instead of him seeing Snape's memories of growing up, then Snape leaving and him looking in the Pensieve.
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The Fight:
Good guys are in white and bad guys are in black? Am I supposed to like this? Everyone gets like, owned by the shadows, while in fact it is only the disapparating spell... Most of the Death Eaters are not shown, as Dolohov, who is described throughout the books as a very dangerous one, and Sirius like, what? 1600 A.C sword-fight in France? And Dumbledore vs. Voldemort - where are the statues that were supposed to take an important role? Dumbledore and Voldemort were also having a disapparate-hit-disapparate fight?
I absolutely agree. And what's with Voldemort tapping into Harry's memories and him writhing on the ground and then passing out? I don't remember that scene in the book! Then there's the fact that they all ran out of the Hall of Prophecies and fell directly into the Death Room. What was THAT about?
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Dumbledore's Army:
So now, Cho turned the DA in? Where's her friend and where's this Ernie McMillan guy that is supposed to be taking part in the whole thing? Gief longer duration pl0x kkthx. Since when were they fighting statues or whatever? And Cho's kiss with Harry... mkay.
Where's Dobby? He was supposed to be the one that warned them Umbridge was coming, and then everybody was supposed to make a run for it. Instead, it showed Umbridge and the Inquisitorial Squad knocking down the wall. Plus, Filch was not supposed to have known about it the entire time. If he had, (and Fred and George have known), don't you think they would have warned Harry and maybe found a new place to practice spells? Not to say that the zit chocolate was funny or that it was out of character, but they probabaly wqould have warned Harry that somebody was on to them in a situation like that.
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St. Mungo:
So? Where is it?
Agreed. That whole conversation with Neville should have taken place at St. Mungo's, not in the Room of Requirement. Another thing that irritated me was that nobody asked any questions. Niether Harry, Ron, Hermione, or any of them tried to ask why Mr. Weasley was in the Department of Mysteries so late at night, or what he was doing for the Order. On the same note, none of the adults seemed to find it the least bit odd that Harry was seeing something happen from hundreds of miles away that no one else knew about. No one questioned anything. It doesn't even show the vision of anything outside the context of just a dream. Afterwards, it's just like "Yay! You saved me! Have some cake!"
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Christmas in Grimmauld Place/Summer in Grimmauld Place:
Soo... JKR spends like five/six chapters on these and suddenly they POOF, not quite important for the scenario guy.
YES! There were SO many things cut out here that I can't even list them all. The things that were there got switched around or were't accurate at all. Kreacher was not at all the way I pictured him. I always kind of thought of him as old, hunched over and with a voice kind of like Igor (from Frankenstein, not Igor Karakoff). I was very much surprised by Kreacher's very deep voice. And WTF is up with that Sqiudward-like nose?
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Fred and George:
I am really disappointed at this field. It was not amazing, amusing and anything like that, and their participation has got slaughtered in their breakout...
No indoor swamps, no mention of the fireworks staying all day or multiplying by ten when Umbridge tried to get rid of them, not even a "Give her Hell from us, Peeves!" or a "Stop by Weasley's Wizard Wheezes! Special discounts to anyone who swears to use our products against this old bat!" Those were all the best parts!
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Quidditch:
At least for once, give some quidditch in the movies... it is like a major factor of the books, respect it pl0x kkthxbai.
What's a good Harry Potter book without a little Quidditch? Okay, the Seventh book was pretty good, but other then that there should always be Quidditch in Harry Potter. It's just a given.
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Dolores Jane Umbridge:
Not evil enough, not ugly enough, kkthx.
The thing that really annoyed me was the depiction of the Educational Decrees in the movie. I highly doubt that PDAs and pants hanging below the ass was allowed before Professor Umbridge arrived. There were only supposed to be 28 Educational Decrees (not 106), all af which banned actions that the Ministry found threatening. PDAs and Baggy Pants, while annoying and disgusting, did not threaten the views that the Ministry and the Daily Prophet were churning out. Therefore, there would not be a decree against it. Those things might be discouraged, maybe even mildly punished, but they would not warrant and educational decree.
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Eh. In short, in my opinion... what was good?
The Dursleys part... maybe.. the trip to Grimmauld Place... And euhm... Luna's part. Myeah, good slaughter - movie, I meant.
Your opinions? Was the movie indeed slaughtered or I need a bonk urgently? xD
Honestly, I don't even think whoever was in charge of editing this even read the book. Everything was all chopped up and out of order. The "Black Family Tree" scene came after the "Arthur Weasley gets attacked by a snake" scene, the "rescue" scene is seen as taking place right after the "Dementor attack/expulsion/not expulsion" scene (with Dudley still looking ill as he's taken into the car), and the entire convy is flying their brooms so low, muggles can't help but see them. I was watching this with my family (half of whom have never read the books), and I had to explain practically everything! I had to explain how Harry wasn't really expelled, but had to go to the hearing, how the prophecy was not supposed to just "talk" when someone picked it up, and how Harry was supposed to have tried to contact Sirius, only to find Kreacher there telling him that Sirius was out. _________________
I agree with everything you said Evil Love Is Stronger.
But even more so, the main thing that lets me down in every movie is not that they leave out more than 50% of it, but that the things they do put in, they change!
Atleast if they did it all right (I know there are 'reasons' for why they changed things) but pretty much all of the changes were big dissapointments for me,
For example:
- VOLDEMORT'S EYES. I don't care about that expression/emotion bullshit reason, I think it has completely destroyed the character of Voldemort, and all fear of him. It doesn't matter how well Ralph Fiennes can act or how evil he can portray Voldemort, he just doesn't look or feel as evil as he is described in the books.
- As already mentioned, Cho ratting out the DA, they could easily have included her friend and had her rat them out in my opinion, why Cho? It didn't happen in the books, why is it different in the movie?
- In Chamber of Secrets, why was it McGonagall that told the class about the Chamber instead of Professor Binns? It was Binns that told them in the book for a reason. McGonagall is too strict and she wouldn't tell the students about it, (atleast not 2nd years, maybe prefects or head boys/girls or older students) it's just not her character, she wouldn't give in to any number of students encouraging her to tell them about something if she thought it wasn't appropriate for them, also when after she explains it all then she says it's all a myth anyway (even though she knows it's not), so why would she bother telling them if she doesn't want them to know!? McGonagall is supposed to be VERY strict. Grr, sorry i'm going to start going in circles soon, if I haven't already.
Obviously there are lots and lots of others like this, but I'm not going to type forever. I know there are meant to be reasons for the changes like maybe to give McGonagall more screen time and lines because she barely has any in the movies. Even if they made V's eyes red from now on, and with what they can do these days with technology, I'm sure they could edit his eyes in the ones already made.
Shutting up now.[/list][/b] _________________ Real, friikeh naughty
AWESOME THREAD!!! I've had so many things to rant about OOTP movie but never had the time to say it all out. Finally, after some good time management I have plenty of time to rant about how slaughtered this movie was. I know people wouldn't be bothered to read all this but these issues have been buzzing around my head for almost a year now, need to get it all off my chest.
1) What the hell happened to Dudley? Why is he all so suddenly goofy like and speaking like a bloody 2 year old? And why the hell is all this unfolding in the afternoon? I know it sounds lame and ridiculous complaining about not being set in the night but I reckon the dementor attack would be more scarier.
2) This links to the bloody dementors that look like bloody cloaked puppets. Have you ever heard of this phrase CGI people "Don't fix it if its NOT broken". So why the hell did they have to change the whole look of the dementers. And since when could Harry poke them in the eye, that just totally makes dementors look more human.
3) The whole Percy thing. I mean, if some people who haven't read the books.. they should be wondering why Percy has suddenly been working for the Ministry. Though it wasn't too important to the plot, they should've mentioned it briefly.
4) The Order of the Phoenix coming to rescue Harry. Ok... although it was pretty good I must admit, it doesn't cut the fat for me either way. Where the hell is Lupin? Where the hell are the other characters. Weren't there supposed to be 9 people rescuing him? I only remember seeing 5. Also, I hated the fact that the Order would so openly fly on the Thames of London. Come one, when they were at Privet Drive, did they ever think about muggles seeing some random people sitting on broom sticks which materialised out of nowhere (though it did look cool). It totally ignores the secrecy of their magical world. I mean, aren't they meant to minimise the exposure and yet you see them flying merrily across the Thames full of boats and almost crashing into one! It peeved me off so badly.
5) And the whole Cho dobbing in the DA saga. Enough said.
6) The bloody muggle clothes! I hate it!!! I hate it with passion. They are moving more towards tight jeans, tops and blonde hair. Yes.. I'm talking about Hermione. SINCE WHEN DOES HERMIONE BECOME SO CONSCIOUS ABOUT HER LOOKS??? That peeved me off in PoA when Hermione wore a pink jacket and jeans, and was amazed when she saw the back of her hair when they travelled back in time. That totally takes away the whole purpose of Ron realising that Hermione really is a girl in GoF. Anyways, I'm drifting off but back to the muggle clothes. Why are they wearing muggle clothes half the time? As I mentioned it on another thread, how did the trio find so much time to change from their school robes to casual clothings to rescue Sirius, when according to Harry they musn't waste any time from saving Sirius. They lacked a bit of logic here.
7) Random people cropping up that never existed in the book. I'm talking about Nigel. Gosh, annoyed me to death. Where the hell are the Creevey brothers?? I miss Colin so much!
Not much Ron and Hermione tension I don't think. I wanted the kiss on the cheek as well Ginnyx! And the whole 'Weasley is our King', I was really looking forward to that.
9) THERE WASN'T MUCH RONALD WEASLEY IN THIS FILM! I'm so upset, I'm not sure if they have something against Rupert or Ron but he has soo little lines, it makes him look small and not a real 'mate' to Harry. Its really annoying.
10) The whole blowing up the Room of Requirement. It totally ruins the whole concept of the Room of Requirement. You can't just blow up a bloody wall!!! Totally illogic
11) And to Yates who thought shorter the film = makes HP fans happy. You are wrong. And I don't care if I have to sit on my butt for 3 hours!!! It really doesn't do justice to JK Rowling. You can tell by now she doesn't care much about the movies, she knows they've slaughtered her books.
12) Sorry to say but I think Emma Watson has portrayed Hermione Granger incorrectly. If the crew wanted Hermione look like a blonde hot chic, well I think they're doing a pretty good job. Her hair is going blonde, she's wearing tight jeans and tops and things which I don't think Hermione would be wearing. It could be the writers as well who don't give Hermione justice. She's like a normal outgoing person. She doesn't even have any books around here anymore! I don't see her worried about the OWLs, only once when she was complaining about Umbridge. Anyways, Hermione hasn't been portrayed much of a book worm ever since the 4th film.
Okay, I think this should be enough for now. *pheew* More complaints to come I think.
I agree with everything you guys said!!! _________________
wow "evil love is stronger" you certainly listed quite a lot, you got just about everything.
ok i have my critisisms (warning these aren't in order)
1. Dudley- the kid sounds like he can't talk!
2. dementors- different to POA, they just looked abnormal, i liked the old ones better.
3. Dan Radcliffe- don't get me wrong, i love daniel radcliffe, he is the PERFECT harry potter, but he didn't get some of the moments right, like the moments where he cracks from fine too angry, they were too practised.
4. the hearing - was nothing like how it should've been
5. Kreacher - was just weird
6. grimauld place- was just like kreacher
7. tonks lupin- weren't enough of them, they play such main characters in the next film, should've been more of them
8. scenery scenes- too many of them, we have seen enough of them too know what hogwarts looks like!
9.grawp- was out of proportion, ALOT
10. pensive- deserved soooo much more attention than it got.
11. OWLs- we didn't see much of them, isn't a quater of the book devoted to harry trying to manage his alarming amount of homework? and we saw 4 seconds of them ACTUALLY in an exam
12. kissing scene- was ridiculous and awkward, completly UNbelivable.
13. st mungos- i was horrified when i saw this wasn't in it, i wanted too see neville's parents, and his gran.
14. quidditch- half the world supports quidditch now, to not put it in the movie was a crime, as well as not being able too see Ron play.
15. prefects- who would've known ron and hermione were prefects
16. Draco- for someone who plays such a MASSIVE role in the next film, we saw very little of him.
17. departure- fred and george's departure was seriously lacking.
18. flying- so deatheaters and order members can fly now can they?
19. the prophecy- was stupid
20.cleaning up- THE LOCKET, how could they cut that out without some sort of clarification that it wasn't important. it may have escaped their notice, but we spend half of the time reading DH reading about their search for the locket.
i hope that was enough for you
for the longest book in the series they definatly made sure it was the shortest film.
but i must admit, with the editor they had they did a pretty good job, if the editor can read i will be surprised, REALLY surprised.
i agree with you, some of the scenes should have been kept but if they kept all the scenes in your list, the movie would have gone on forever. _________________ "His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad
His hair is as dark as a blackboard
I wish he were mine
He's really divine
The hero who conquered the Dark Lord"
i agree in everything except the umbridge point, i thought she was really annoying in the movies too and all my family (who havent read the books) agrees and really hated her
also, you forgot to add the missing parts (all of it actually lol) of the chapter the lost prophecy, i was really looking foward to that and what? NOTHING!!! _________________
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Wand_Wiz, in reference to your point on flying (number 18 ), i actually think that the producers were trying to put it accross as apparition. which is stupid cause they showed Fred and George do it when harry arrives at Grimmauld Place. in my opinion, the film sucked peanuts, i'm soo disgusted with the way it was put together, i'm rather tempted to go illegal for the next film and not waste money on it that seems to be the whole pretense of what the director (if David Yates could class himself one) wants more of. _________________ Member #3 of the "David Yates has no direction for the Potter films and should therefore be stoned" club!
Wand_Wiz, in reference to your point on flying (number 18 ), i actually think that the producers were trying to put it accross as apparition. which is stupid cause they showed Fred and George do it when harry arrives at Grimmauld Place. in my opinion, the film sucked peanuts, i'm soo disgusted with the way it was put together, i'm rather tempted to go illegal for the next film and not waste money on it that seems to be the whole pretense of what the director (if David Yates could class himself one) wants more of.
Harsh but true.
Also, I'd like to add the scene with Grawp and the Trio. I hated the fact that he "grabbed" Hermione. I also cringe when Emma tells Grawp to put her down... I hate the way she "screams". It sounds like she's hurting her voice-box at the same time. I also thought it was a bit weird for Ron to get jealous of a giant. _________________
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