I started to re-read the first book and I noticed Uncle Vernon seemed to know things about Wizards but how did he find out about them ? When he married petunia did she just say she had wizarding relatives ? I think not, He would probably think she is a nut job. Does anyone know or have theories on how Uncle Vernon came to know about Wizards and Witches ?
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"Funny stuff on the news," Mr.Dursley mumbled. "Owls. . .
shooting stars. . . and there were a lot of funny-looking people in town today. . ."
"So?" snapped Mrs. Dursley.
"Well, I just thought . . . maybe . . . it was something to do with . . . you know . . . her crowd."
Petunia had to of told him because of her sister.. I mean what if they came over(I know thats far fetched and all but they were close when they were young.) and Vernon found out then he would be mad that she did not tell him. _________________
"You lied to me."
"I got a jar of dirt!"
"Welcome to the caribbean, love."
if she didn't tell him, he would have found out. i mean you can't completely hide the fact that your sister is a witch. _________________
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she had to have told him in order to keep harry safe or vernon would have dropped him off at the first orphanage he could find. dd thought harry had to be with them so i am speculating that as much as petunia hated the wizarding world, she would honor dd's wishes and keep harry safe.
so by the time we meet harry she has had 11 yrs to tell vernon about owls, funny looking people, etc.
my question would be why is he still so in the dark about it. how much did she really tell him? _________________
my question would be why is he still so in the dark about it. how much did she really tell him?
well since she hated the wizarding world so much i'm guessing she'd leave out as much detail as possible. she probably only told him that her sister was a witch and that she went to magic school, but not much else. _________________
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I doubt they visited because for 7 years Lily advanced in magic while Petunia grew more jealous year by year until eventually she cut Lily off from her life. Also, Petunia doesn't know about the bond until she reads the letter Dumbledore wrote the night Voldemort attack the potters. Knowing this how could she tell him without making her self look crazy ? I am assuming there must have been an incident because magic can be hidden and if not, Muggles can have there memories modified. It's against Wizarding code for a
Wizard to preform magic in front of a Muggle so it must have been a mistake. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
I think the rules are more relaxed when it comes to family members.
We do know that Petunia and Lily had contact, Petunia sent Lily that awful vase that was mentioned in Lily's letter to Sirius.
Vernon seems very ditressed about owls throughout the series. I think he definitely knew about those, as we know Petunia did, since she sent the letter to DD back when she was younger. Perhaps they sent to vase to Lily by way of owl.
I'm sure Vernon knew about certain magical things, I just wonder how much he knew. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
I think the rules are more relaxed when it comes to family members.
We do know that Petunia and Lily had contact, Petunia sent Lily that awful vase that was mentioned in Lily's letter to Sirius.
Vernon seems very ditressed about owls throughout the series. I think he definitely knew about those, as we know Petunia did, since she sent the letter to DD back when she was younger. Perhaps they sent to vase to Lily by way of owl.
I'm sure Vernon knew about certain magical things, I just wonder how much he knew.
Omg ! Ginnyx, You got something wrong for once !!! When Petunia was younger she sent the letter via muggle mail. Mini Snape had told her there was probably a wizard working in the muggle post office, thats how Albus received her letter.
Also, I guess your right about the rules being more relaxed. I was thinking about book 5 when he got in trouble for saving Dudley's life but I forgot the Ministry was looking for ways to expel Harry at the time. So, I do know he found out about it somehow, I just don't know how... _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
I think the rules are more relaxed when it comes to family members.
We do know that Petunia and Lily had contact, Petunia sent Lily that awful vase that was mentioned in Lily's letter to Sirius.
Vernon seems very ditressed about owls throughout the series. I think he definitely knew about those, as we know Petunia did, since she sent the letter to DD back when she was younger. Perhaps they sent to vase to Lily by way of owl.
I'm sure Vernon knew about certain magical things, I just wonder how much he knew.
Omg ! Ginnyx, You got something wrong for once !!! When Petunia was younger she sent the letter via muggle mail. Mini Snape had told her there was probably a wizard working in the muggle post office, thats how Albus received her letter.
Also, I guess your right about the rules being more relaxed. I was thinking about book 5 when he got in trouble for saving Dudley's life but I forgot the Ministry was looking for ways to expel Harry at the time. So, I do know he found out about it somehow, I just don't know how...
Dammit! You finish rereading SS and I'll go and finish rereading DH.
I am totoally grasping at straws here, but maybe Snape just said that beacuse he couldn't believe a muggle would use an owl, or something like that. I dunno....
And yeah, the Ministry was looking for ways to expel Harry, so any little thing he'd have done would have gotten him in trouble. Dementors were perfect because muggles can't see them, so there would be no witnesses, just Harry testifying for himself, as you said.
Vernon knew somehow. Because he knew enough to hide the letters. And he said he was trying to stamp the magic out of him since they took him in. I think Petunia told him, but that's just my guess.
I guess it's possible he was a squib himself... maybe Petunia and him met at a NonMagical Anonymous Meeting! _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
Probably an owl arrived with a letter from Lily (while Vernon was at home.) _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
she had to have told him in order to keep harry safe or vernon would have dropped him off at the first orphanage he could find. dd thought harry had to be with them so i am speculating that as much as petunia hated the wizarding world, she would honor dd's wishes and keep harry safe.
so by the time we meet harry she has had 11 yrs to tell vernon about owls, funny looking people, etc.
my question would be why is he still so in the dark about it. how much did she really tell him?
This part happened before Harry was at the Dursleys'. This was on the day after Voldemort fell the first time, and all of the wizarding world was celebrating. Harry was placed on the doorstep hours after the Dursleys had this conversation.
My guess would be that Perunia told Vernon. Maybe he also had a few run-ins with owls while visiting his in-laws before they died or something. _________________
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I think the rules are more relaxed when it comes to family members.
We do know that Petunia and Lily had contact, Petunia sent Lily that awful vase that was mentioned in Lily's letter to Sirius.
Vernon seems very ditressed about owls throughout the series. I think he definitely knew about those, as we know Petunia did, since she sent the letter to DD back when she was younger. Perhaps they sent to vase to Lily by way of owl.
I'm sure Vernon knew about certain magical things, I just wonder how much he knew.
Omg ! Ginnyx, You got something wrong for once !!! When Petunia was younger she sent the letter via muggle mail. Mini Snape had told her there was probably a wizard working in the muggle post office, thats how Albus received her letter.
Also, I guess your right about the rules being more relaxed. I was thinking about book 5 when he got in trouble for saving Dudley's life but I forgot the Ministry was looking for ways to expel Harry at the time. So, I do know he found out about it somehow, I just don't know how...
Dammit! You finish rereading SS and I'll go and finish rereading DH.
I am totoally grasping at straws here, but maybe Snape just said that beacuse he couldn't believe a muggle would use an owl, or something like that. I dunno....
And yeah, the Ministry was looking for ways to expel Harry, so any little thing he'd have done would have gotten him in trouble. Dementors were perfect because muggles can't see them, so there would be no witnesses, just Harry testifying for himself, as you said.
Vernon knew somehow. Because he knew enough to hide the letters. And he said he was trying to stamp the magic out of him since they took him in. I think Petunia told him, but that's just my guess.
I guess it's possible he was a squib himself... maybe Petunia and him met at a NonMagical Anonymous Meeting!
Sorry Ginny, Lily's family was made of Muggles so how would they have an owl to send ? I am sure the owls would be the same like they were for Harry, just fly by and leave the letter, so they couldn't use the owl to return a letter. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
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I always figured he might have had a distant Wizard realitive like Aunt petunia or he watched the potter preform magic some how.
Sorry Ginny, Lily's family was made of Muggles so how would they have an owl to send ? I am sure the owls would be the same like they were for Harry, just fly by and leave the letter, so they couldn't use the owl to return a letter.
If the owls are told to wait for a response, then they do. That happened at least a couple of times during the book. I can't remember an exact time, but I know that it has. _________________
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Sorry Ginny, Lily's family was made of Muggles so how would they have an owl to send ? I am sure the owls would be the same like they were for Harry, just fly by and leave the letter, so they couldn't use the owl to return a letter.
If the owls are told to wait for a response, then they do. That happened at least a couple of times during the book. I can't remember an exact time, but I know that it has.
Yes but I believe it is different with Muggle born students. Just like Harry and Tom, Don't you think someone went to the house afterwards the owl delivered the letter ? _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
Sorry Ginny, Lily's family was made of Muggles so how would they have an owl to send ? I am sure the owls would be the same like they were for Harry, just fly by and leave the letter, so they couldn't use the owl to return a letter.
If the owls are told to wait for a response, then they do. That happened at least a couple of times during the book. I can't remember an exact time, but I know that it has.
Yes but I believe it is different with Muggle born students. Just like Harry and Tom, Don't you think someone went to the house afterwards the owl delivered the letter ?
I don't understand what you're talking about . . . Are you speaking of the letter of acceptance to Hogwarts, because it was already established that some one comes and speaks with the family. I was talking about muggles corresponding with wizards. _________________
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Sorry Ginny, Lily's family was made of Muggles so how would they have an owl to send ? I am sure the owls would be the same like they were for Harry, just fly by and leave the letter, so they couldn't use the owl to return a letter.
If the owls are told to wait for a response, then they do. That happened at least a couple of times during the book. I can't remember an exact time, but I know that it has.
Yes but I believe it is different with Muggle born students. Just like Harry and Tom, Don't you think someone went to the house afterwards the owl delivered the letter ?
I don't understand what you're talking about . . . Are you speaking of the letter of acceptance to Hogwarts, because it was already established that some one comes and speaks with the family. I was talking about muggles corresponding with wizards.
Sorry about that, I just re-read what I wrote and it didn't make sense. Originally I explained to Ginny that Petunia used the muggles method to write to Albus Dumbledore and actually made contact with him. (After Lilly was accepted to Hogwarts Petunia was interested in going as well.) Severus Snape had told Lily he was surprised she had reached him through Muggle mail and assumed there was A Wizard working in the post office. So, What I was trying to say was she didn't use an owl to begin with
because they were muggles and didn't understand how the Wizards delivered there mail. I also assumed that a representative of Hogwarts visited the house and explained to Lily and her family about Hogwarts and magic. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
Sorry about that, I just re-read what I wrote and it didn't make sense. Originally I explained to Ginny that Petunia used the muggles method to write to Albus Dumbledore and actually made contact with him. (After Lilly was accepted to Hogwarts Petunia was interested in going as well.) Severus Snape had told Lily he was surprised she had reached him through Muggle mail and assumed there was A Wizard working in the post office. So, What I was trying to say was she didn't use an owl to begin with
because they were muggles and didn't understand how the Wizards delivered there mail. I also assumed that a representative of Hogwarts visited the house and explained to Lily and her family about Hogwarts and magic.
I wonder if one happens after the other. In Harry's case, the letter came and no one followed until there was no immediate response. He might not have been muggle born, but he was muggle raised.
In the case of Tom Riddle, DD with the letter. Tom wasn't muggle-born but he, too, was muggle-raised.
They might have assumed Harry knew about the wizarding world because they thought Petunia would have told him, but I doubt DD would assume that.
We don't know when Petunia sent that letter, it could have been after Lily was taught to use owl mail. We know muggles can at least receive owl mail because Hermione sends letters to her parents using owls. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
Well, Lilly knew about the letter and Petunia got mad because it was supposed to be private, Then this happened....
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"No --- Not sneaking ---" Now Lily was on the defensive. "Severus saw the envelope, and he couldn't believe a muggle could have contacted Hogwarts, that's all! He says there must be wizards working under cover in the postal service who take care of ---".
So, Even Snape knew about the letter and it's clear she didn't ask her parents about an owl, if they even did know about it, to send to Dumbledore. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
I think Snape was wrong, because muggles can contact Hogwarts. Well, we know they can receive letters from there by owl, and I like to think that they can send letters, too. Otherwise how is a muggle-born's parents supposed to write to their kids? It has to be done either by owl or undercover person at the post office. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
I think Snape was wrong, because muggles can contact Hogwarts. Well, we know they can receive letters from there by owl, and I like to think that they can send letters, too. Otherwise how is a muggle-born's parents supposed to write to their kids? It has to be done either by owl or undercover person at the post office.
Well, Yes, Thats true but your forgetting that these people are just finding out about magic and the only way Petunia knew how to send mail was through Muggle mail. She was a little girl and knew nothing about the Wizarding world
so in her eyes, why wouldn't it work ? Also, Snape's mother was married to a muggle and I am sure he used muggle mail so Snape would be able to tell the difference. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
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You finish rereading SS and I'll go and finish rereading DH.
