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Benz_Luna_Fan89
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 Posted: April 3, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Wizards helping Muggles |
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Ok so I didn't know where to put this category wise. Also, after a brief search I didn't find anything like it.
I was sitting in my Western Civ class and we were learning about Stalin, Trostky, Lenin. Well those are really bad guys and ended up killing millions of people in the early 30's and 40's. The question I was thinking was in the event that something like this happened would the wizarding world ever step in and offer assistance? I know they wouldn't expose themselves. It's a lecture class so my mind tends to wander lol. I think I know the answer but thought id post it up.
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zengrenouille
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I think that they didn't intervene for the same reason that Americans didn't intervene.
The wizarding world is so set apart from the muggle-world that it's easy to pretend that nothing is happening at all. Even though the wizarding world is in Europe, wizards are sort of live in this bubble that muggles can't get into. On the other side, the wizards don't want to leave that bubble and bridge the gap. While I'm sure that the wizarding world got a bit of news about what was happening during WWII from the frew wizards who did coexist with the muggles, I doubt that they really ever let the full extent of what was happening sink in.
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Benz_Luna_Fan89
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I just remembered in book err. 6 or 7 when the minister of magic was talking to British Prime minister. I just wanted to see other's views.
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zengrenouille
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| Posted: April 3, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Benz_Luna_Fan89 wrote: |
| I just remembered in book err. 6 or 7 when the minister of magic was talking to British Prime minister. I just wanted to see other's views. |
It waws the beginning. The Minister of Magic only gets in touch with the PM when there are problems in the wizarding world that will affect the muggle world. The PM, on the other hand, doesn't really get in touch with the Minister of Magic. I can't see the Minister of Magic hearing about WWII and coming out of the fire to see id the PM wants him to AK Hitler.
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GinnyX
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I think that, although others would be aware of each other's conflicts, they wouldn't step in unless it directly effected them. The stories take place in the UK, but, like Zen said, they lives in different bubbles. The muggle Prime Minister was aware of what was going on in the Wizarding World, but still did not step in. I think unless one of their bubbles were penetrated, then there would be no help offered from the opposite end. That is not to say that all individuals didn't help. We don't kow that there were no wizards fighting in WWII or no muggles that didn't help during Voldemort's reign. As far as the actual governments stepping in, I don't think that would happen unless there was harm being done directly to them.
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Didn't Dumbledore kill Hitler after defeating Grindelwald? 
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Benz_Luna_Fan89
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Ah i was thinkin that but just figured id pop it up there.
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One of the things that bothers me about the world created in those books is that wizards don't help. In the case of a large-scale war in the 'muggle' world, I don't think they are in different bubbles. They live in the same world. There's no way they would have been unaffected by something like WWII. Then there's the question of any 'technology' they have which would be superior to ours. We're led to believe that wizards don't visit muggle hospitals. Do wizards have medicine that would prove effective against any currently untreatable muggle ailments? If so, not sharing that would be terribly selfish. Muggles may not know what's going on with wizards, but it seems that at least some wizards probably know what's happening in the muggle world. It always seemed callous to me for them to see suffering in the muggle world and not help if they were able.
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| Bianca St. Claire wrote: |
| One of the things that bothers me about the world created in those books is that wizards don't help. In the case of a large-scale war in the 'muggle' world, I don't think they are in different bubbles. They live in the same world. There's no way they would have been unaffected by something like WWII. Then there's the question of any 'technology' they have which would be superior to ours. We're led to believe that wizards don't visit muggle hospitals. Do wizards have medicine that would prove effective against any currently untreatable muggle ailments? If so, not sharing that would be terribly selfish. Muggles may not know what's going on with wizards, but it seems that at least some wizards probably know what's happening in the muggle world. It always seemed callous to me for them to see suffering in the muggle world and not help if they were able. |
It works both ways. I wonder if the muggles helped the wizards when the wizards were in trouble. We see that in countries all teh times. Third world countries need help, and some of the more first world countries just sit idly by.
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| Bianca St. Claire wrote: |
| One of the things that bothers me about the world created in those books is that wizards don't help. In the case of a large-scale war in the 'muggle' world, I don't think they are in different bubbles. They live in the same world. There's no way they would have been unaffected by something like WWII. Then there's the question of any 'technology' they have which would be superior to ours. We're led to believe that wizards don't visit muggle hospitals. Do wizards have medicine that would prove effective against any currently untreatable muggle ailments? If so, not sharing that would be terribly selfish. Muggles may not know what's going on with wizards, but it seems that at least some wizards probably know what's happening in the muggle world. It always seemed callous to me for them to see suffering in the muggle world and not help if they were able. |
They live in the same world, yes, but the wizads pratically live in a comepletely different dimension. There are two bubble that they live in, and it would be very easy for the wizarding world be almost unaffected by WWII. I'm sure that there was a bit of effect, and there were probably even wizard who were trying to get the wizarding world to step in. It is easy to ignore the horrors of war and write the people who speak of those horrors off as dramatic. This is a terrible lesson that people of the world refuse to learn. Even after WWII, terrible things have happened in other countries that were just too inconvenient to step into. The problem is that wizards have distanced themselves too far from muggles emotionally.
As far as illnesses, wizards probably do have cures that muggles could never come up with for illnesses that kill daily. Unfortunately, muggles were never acccepting was witchcraft. Because of that, wizards don't bring magic to muggles. Medicine shouldn't be an exception.
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"But what does a Ministry of Magic do?"
"Well, their main job is to keep it from the Muggles that there's still witches an' wizards up an' down the country."
"Why?"
"Why? Blimey, Harry, everyone'd be wantin' magic solutions to their problems. Nah, we're best left alone." |
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