"One wrong move, Peter," said Lupin threateningly, ahead. His wand still pointed sideways at Pettigrew's chest.
Silently they tramped through the grounds, the castle lights growing slowly larger. Snape was drifting weirdly ahead of Sirius, his chin bumping on his chest.
And then – A cloud shifted. There were suddenly dim shadows on the ground. Their party was bathed in moonlight.
Snape collided with Lupin, Pettigrew and Ron, who had stopped abruptly. Sirius froze. He flung out an arm to make Harry and Hermione stop.
Harry could see Lupin's silhouette. He had gone rigid. Then his limbs began to shake.
And in chapter 21:
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"Here comes Lupin!" said Harry, as they saw another figure sprinting down the stone steps and haring towards the Willow. Harry looked up at the sky. Clouds were obscuring the moon completely. They watched Lupin seize a broken branch from the ground and prod the knot on the trunk. The tree stopped fighting, and Lupin, too, disappeared into the gap in the roots.
In short, it was nighttime but the moon was obscured by clouds, so he didn't transform. If so, how did he transform (as a kid) in the Shrieking Shack if he was indoors (thereby not exposed to the moon)? And why didn't he just remain indoors every month at the full moon, so that he wouldn't have to transform? _________________ "It’s the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more." -- Albus Dumbledore
Read the quotes, when he's entering the Willow it says "Clouds were obscuring the moon completely" (and this is obviously an explanation as to why he hadn't transformed, why else mention the moon?) and later when they come out it says "And then – A cloud shifted. There were suddenly dim shadows on the ground. Their party was bathed in moonlight". He only transformed when the clouds shifted and exposed the moon, but the moon had already been out long ago. _________________ "It’s the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more." -- Albus Dumbledore
Okay... so the clouds covering the moon seem to keep him from transforming. Maybe the clouds covering the moon help control him a bit, but the shade of the shack does not. _________________
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this is a good question , thought about that myself recently when i rea POA but it seems it just a mistake, how could it possible for Lupin to Transform indoors, but not when clouds are covering the moon, daft really. _________________ Member #3 of the "David Yates has no direction for the Potter films and should therefore be stoned" club!
Read the quotes, when he's entering the Willow it says "Clouds were obscuring the moon completely" (and this is obviously an explanation as to why he hadn't transformed, why else mention the moon?) and later when they come out it says "And then – A cloud shifted. There were suddenly dim shadows on the ground. Their party was bathed in moonlight". He only transformed when the clouds shifted and exposed the moon, but the moon had already been out long ago.
I still think that the moon wasn't completely out yet until those clouds shifted. The clouds just happened to shift right when the moon became full. It doesn't make any sense that clouds would make a person transform. The light of the moon doesn't do it. It's the shifting of gravity that is caused by the full moon. _________________
The moon had to have been completely out already, since Buckbeack was supposed to have been executed at sundown and there's only a little more than a half-hour between sundown and nightfall. I think they were in the shack for more than that. (Besides, again, why mention the clouds each time if it has nothing to do with them?) _________________ "It’s the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more." -- Albus Dumbledore
My theory would still work, the clouds were covering the moon, he didn't change. Once the clouds shifted and the moon was exposed, then he changed. _________________
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The moon had to have been completely out already, since Buckbeack was supposed to have been executed at sundown and there's only a little more than a half-hour between sundown and nightfall. I think they were in the shack for more than that. (Besides, again, why mention the clouds each time if it has nothing to do with them?)
The clouds were mentioned, because of Hermione. Knowing that Lupin was a werewolf, she probably would have realized that Lupin would change the at the first glimpse of the moon that night. Since the moon was absent, Hermione didn't even think of it.
Just because night comes in less than half an hour from sunset, does that mean that the moon is necesarrily fully out by then? I'm not sure, and the searches that I've done online aren't turning up the right information.
Even if it does, maybe Jo didn't know that when she was writing the book.
This is the only quote that I can find about it.
Q: Can you explain how Lupin turns into a werewolf, since he didn't turn in the Shrieking Shack in Prisoner of Azkaban, but instead he turned only when the full moonlight hit him outside the tunnel? If he only turned into a wolf in the moonlight, why didn't he just stay inside? Did it have to do with the potion? Or was the moon not up yet?
JKR: The moon wasn't up when he entered the Shrieking Shack
This answer, however, doesn't answer much. I do think that if the clouds had anything to do with it, then they would have been mentioned.
GinnyX wrote:
My theory would still work, the clouds were covering the moon, he didn't change. Once the clouds shifted and the moon was exposed, then he changed.
That doesn't make any sense, though. When they were in the shrieking shack -- which was boarded up, if I remember correctly(that could just be the movies fogging my memory of the book, though) -- the the moon wasn't exposed to them, either. It doesn't make sense to say that one fprm o fmatter blocking the sun would stop a transformation if another for of matter wouldn't. _________________
My theory would still work, the clouds were covering the moon, he didn't change. Once the clouds shifted and the moon was exposed, then he changed.
That doesn't make any sense, though. When they were in the shrieking shack -- which was boarded up, if I remember correctly(that could just be the movies fogging my memory of the book, though) -- the the moon wasn't exposed to them, either. It doesn't make sense to say that one fprm o fmatter blocking the sun would stop a transformation if another for of matter wouldn't.
The way I look at it is clouds>shack. The shack wouldn't block is change, but the clouds will though. I'm basing it off the fact that the shack never before blocked his transformation.
Also, at some times of the year the sun goes down before the moon rises fully. _________________
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My theory would still work, the clouds were covering the moon, he didn't change. Once the clouds shifted and the moon was exposed, then he changed.
That doesn't make any sense, though. When they were in the shrieking shack -- which was boarded up, if I remember correctly(that could just be the movies fogging my memory of the book, though) -- the the moon wasn't exposed to them, either. It doesn't make sense to say that one fprm o fmatter blocking the sun would stop a transformation if another for of matter wouldn't.
The way I look at it is clouds>shack. The shack wouldn't block is change, but the clouds will though. I'm basing it off the fact that the shack never before blocked his transformation.
Also, at some times of the year the sun goes down before the moon rises fully.
Clouds are less tangent than the shack, though, so it makes no sense that they could kepe the mon from transforming a person into a werewolf. _________________
Clouds are less tangent than the shack, though, so it makes no sense that they could kepe the mon from transforming a person into a werewolf.
We're talking about a fantasy book, though. I mean, werewolves don't even exist. Would it really be that much more a of a stretch of the imagination if clouds prevented him from changing while a boarded up shack didn't? _________________
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Clouds are less tangent than the shack, though, so it makes no sense that they could kepe the mon from transforming a person into a werewolf.
We're talking about a fantasy book, though. I mean, werewolves don't even exist. Would it really be that much more a of a stretch of the imagination if clouds prevented him from changing while a boarded up shack didn't?
For me, it would. I just don't think that Jo would make that a rule. I truly think that she intended for the moon to have actually become full at that moment. _________________
Neither theorys seem very realistic, but from JKR's quote it would seem that zen's is the right one. Still it's quite a bit of a coincidence that the moon came completely out at the exact second that the clouds shifted...
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We're talking about a fantasy book, though. I mean, werewolves don't even exist.
OMG really?!?! You mean I've been fooled all these years?! _________________ "It’s the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more." -- Albus Dumbledore
hehe... i was wondering what if lupin was chosen unexpectedly by nasa to go to the moon?? then, he will be a werewolf there forever if he's on the moon? _________________ Bill K.<3
I think that all it means is that if a full moon is out, regardless of where he is, he transforms.
Otherwise when he was in school it wouldn't be a problem, when the full moon was out he could jsut sleep it off indoors in his dorm. But they had to hide him in the willow so that he wouldn't transform. Basically this means that they don't need exposure to the moon.
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