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Orrr, she was just miss diagnosed and wasn't actually suffering from depression. ;D I wish I could pick whoever gave her CBT's brain.
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| Posted: March 24, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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It could have been a mild depression, or temporary depression. We really don't' know what happened.
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| Posted: March 24, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| But why would they take the chance!? (p.s. PM sent!) |
I think that the real question is why would you chance taking meds without trying to treat it other ways first.
Sometimes simple things like change in diet, an excercise regimen, and yes therapy can work for depression. Why would you just shove pills into the faces of people who are depressed without trying a bit of lifestyle change first?
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| Posted: March 24, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Because I don't buy it and that's pretty much the only reason I have not to! Don't crush my hope pls.
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hope? mmmkk...be cynical if you want 
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| Posted: March 25, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Because I don't buy it and that's pretty much the only reason I have not to! Don't crush my hope pls. |
If you best come back is a request to not crush your hope, then you have no arguement. You're being difficult just to be difficult. You can not buy anything that you want to, but that isn't going to make any one's depression go away.
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| Posted: March 25, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I already half explained it, and had a discussing over PM with Ginnyx about it.
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I'm pretty sure that if the doctor was taking a chance not giving her meds then they would be keeping a close eye on her while she was getting therapy. Also if she wasn't as depressed as other people are known to get that doesn't mean her story is less important, you don't turn away someone with a broken ankle just because people with broken legs have it tougher. There is obviously going to be a scale and every sufferer has a unique story. She isn't selling her story about the actual depression she is trying to encourage people not to be ashamed of what is wrong with them and to seek help, what ever help they may need, regardless of how bad it is.
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| Posted: March 25, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I already half explained it, and had a discussing over PM with Ginnyx about it. |
You didn't even half explain it. Just to let you know, none of us have seen what you said to Ginny. All that we see is an arguement that has no grounding and ends in a temper tantrum about how your hope that depression is a figment of someone's imagination is more important that the fact that people really feel hopelessy depressed and alone. Whether depression is in their heads or not, the feelings are incredibley real to depressed people, and they are reaching out for a way to conquer it. Hitting walls such as people who can't grap the feeling of unhappiness just makes them people feel more desperately alone. It doesn't help to say that it is all in their heads, even if that is what you think is true.
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| Posted: March 25, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've been diagnosed with Depression 3 times. Two years ago I was diagnosed with Bipolar I Disorder rapid cycles. <.< If you want to discuss it with me, feel free to PM me, but I don't feel comfortable getting into the whole thing on a public forum, at the moment.
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But do you think that just because you had/have it worse than her it is any less significant to the cause?
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| Posted: March 25, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| of the lore wrote: |
| I've been diagnosed with Depression 3 times. Two years ago I was diagnosed with Bipolar I Disorder rapid cycles. <.< If you want to discuss it with me, feel free to PM me, but I don't feel comfortable getting into the whole thing on a public forum, at the moment. |
I'm sorry that you have a problem with depression. You just have to understand that these comments don't sound like they come from a person who has had to deal with depression:
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It seems like every time the media starts to lose interest in here, she finds a way to get herself back into the spotlight. I'm being totally insensitive here, but I'm not entirely sure she was suffering from real, full blown depression. You can be depressed and not have depression, and suicidal thoughts doesn't necessarily mean depression, either. Did she take medications (I'm really curious)? Even a the world renowned mood disorder expert, Kay Redfield Jamison, says that therapy should be paired with medications (in most cases). All I get out of this whole thing is that hay, money fixes everything! 'Kay. I'm done being a bitch now. <.<
Edit: Oh, I'm also moving this to Politics and News. |
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Clinical Depression/Major Depression/Minor Depression are just the names of the diagnosis. If it's diagnosed depression, it'd be called one of those (unless the names are different in the UK). To be diagnosed with depression in the US, you have to have been suffering from the symptoms every day for at least two weeks. She either had clinical depression or was just depressed.
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-md01.html
That website has European diagnostic criteria and such. It works a bit differently in the US.
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-md01.html#Head_1
There's the US criteria. They're both fairly vague, so it'd take some more questioning from the doc and such to diagnose. |
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| But why would they take the chance!? (p.s. PM sent!) |
They sound as if they came straight from the mouth of Tom Cruise, as a matter of fact. Jo suffered from depression, and it was brave of her to come out and admit it. I'm sure that she probably still deals with it a bit, and she always will have it lurking just below the surface. The woman is strong, but she has a vulnerability about her that gives her insecurities away, and this is something that I have always noticed about Jo. There is a piece of each of these insecurities ingrained in each and every character that she has ever created. This is real. Your previous comments led me to believe that you don't believe in depression as real.
Now that you say that you have suffered from depression, it may just be that yo bitter about the fact that Jo could conquer it and you still haven't been able to. Either way, it's coming off as an attack on Jo, which is very brave on PF.
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| Posted: March 25, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just going to PM you, but I'm posting this so other people don't think I'm being ignoringish.
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