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cleo
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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: I know why James bullied Snape Reply with quote

Because James fell for Lily for a long long time. Lily was outstanding, brilliant in potion and transfigure and everything. She's a loyal person and ready to stand up for her friends.

James knew Lily befriended of Snape. They were playmates since they were children. They were very close.

James was such a jealous guy. He couldn't stop himself loving Lily nor did he stop hating Snape for the friendship, care and love he didn't have but he thought he deserved to have. Because he thought he hated dark arts and he was the best seeker in Hogwarts. Everyone thought he was cool. He was so certain that he was a better man than Snape.

But why didn't Lily lay eyes on him? Was she blind? His hunger for Lily's love burnt him and tortured him like a fire inside his heart. This drove him crazy. Crazy man did crazy thing.

Poor James!
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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm. All you've said is obvious.
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PostPosted: March 22, 2008 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah! But it seems nobody feel pity for him. No one fully understand him. Not even his own son, Harry.

Harry felt frustrated and ashamed of his father's behaviour, and felt sorry for Snape. But he had never tried to understand why he did that. Even Sirius and Lupin couldn't have an reasonable explanation to him. James kept everything to himself.

Btw, I bet James and Sirius hated Snape more than Lily and Harry did. They were brought up in wizarding world and knew all the awful things which dark wizards did and most of them came from Slytherine. They hated Snape for a very good reason, not just so-called grudge in juvenile stage.
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PostPosted: March 22, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also Snape and James first meeting in the Hogwarts Express didn't go to well.
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PostPosted: March 22, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or maybe he was just an arrogant jerk like most popular boys of his age are, without knowing it?
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PostPosted: March 22, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ray_30579 wrote:
Or maybe he was just an arrogant jerk like most popular boys of his age are, without knowing it?


Not really. Sirius said,"...he(James) always made a fool of himself whenever Lily was around. He couldn't stop himself showing off whenever he got near her."

He tried to make Lily go out with him by stopping bullying Snape. When Snape called her mudblood, he made Snape appologize to her.

It's so obvious that he deeply fell for her, even he didn't talk about it but Sirius could see a bit.
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PostPosted: March 22, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't know that he didn't talk about it do we? And James did ask Lily out in front of Sirius.
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interficio wrote:
Umm. All you've said is obvious.

yes
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: I know why James bullied Snape Reply with quote

cleo wrote:
Because James fell for Lily for a long long time. Lily was outstanding, brilliant in potion and transfigure and everything. She's a loyal person and ready to stand up for her friends.

James knew Lily befriended of Snape. They were playmates since they were children. They were very close.

James was such a jealous guy. He couldn't stop himself loving Lily nor did he stop hating Snape for the friendship, care and love he didn't have but he thought he deserved to have. Because he thought he hated dark arts and he was the best seeker in Hogwarts. Everyone thought he was cool. He was so certain that he was a better man than Snape.

But why didn't Lily lay eyes on him? Was she blind? His hunger for Lily's love burnt him and tortured him like a fire inside his heart. This drove him crazy. Crazy man did crazy thing.

Poor James!


james potter was a chaser not a seeker.... the movie shows it wrongly...
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: I know why James bullied Snape Reply with quote

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james potter was a chaser not a seeker.... the movie shows it wrongly...


No, McGonagall said his father was an excellent Quidditch player himself. She didn't mention he was a seeker or a chaser. (PS ch 9 The midnight duel)
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james was a chaser...every one knows that....

go beyond PS/SS...



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At Hogwarts, James was a brilliant student, and in Philosopher's Stone, he is said to have become Head Boy, although in Order of the Phoenix it is said that Remus was a prefect, not James, though he may have become Head Boy by his seventh year with maturity and the growth of responsibility and common sense. He was also a player on the Gryffindor Quidditch team. In the film version of Philosopher's Stone, Harry and his friends find James' name listed on a plaque as a Seeker on his Quidditch team; however, Rowling stated in an interview that he was in fact a Chaser.[14] He was shown playing with a Golden Snitch outside of games and practices[15], ostensibly to show off for Lily, and he apparently had a habit of rumpling up his hair to suggest that he had just stepped off a broomstick


for more info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_family#James_Potter
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indian_gal wrote:
james was a chaser...every one knows that....

go beyond PS/SS...



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At Hogwarts, James was a brilliant student, and in Philosopher's Stone, he is said to have become Head Boy, although in Order of the Phoenix it is said that Remus was a prefect, not James, though he may have become Head Boy by his seventh year with maturity and the growth of responsibility and common sense. He was also a player on the Gryffindor Quidditch team. In the film version of Philosopher's Stone, Harry and his friends find James' name listed on a plaque as a Seeker on his Quidditch team; however, Rowling stated in an interview that he was in fact a Chaser.[14] He was shown playing with a Golden Snitch outside of games and practices[15], ostensibly to show off for Lily, and he apparently had a habit of rumpling up his hair to suggest that he had just stepped off a broomstick


for more info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_family#James_Potter


When did this interview take place? Before Ootp or after? Are you sure she wouldn't change her mind? Because from every clue you can find in the Snape's worst memory. You can see how skillful James was in catching the snitch. If he was a chaser but he was as good as a seeker, he must be a very outstanding player. He's even much more brilliant than his son, Harry.
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cleo wrote:
Indian_gal wrote:
james was a chaser...every one knows that....

go beyond PS/SS...



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At Hogwarts, James was a brilliant student, and in Philosopher's Stone, he is said to have become Head Boy, although in Order of the Phoenix it is said that Remus was a prefect, not James, though he may have become Head Boy by his seventh year with maturity and the growth of responsibility and common sense. He was also a player on the Gryffindor Quidditch team. In the film version of Philosopher's Stone, Harry and his friends find James' name listed on a plaque as a Seeker on his Quidditch team; however, Rowling stated in an interview that he was in fact a Chaser.[14] He was shown playing with a Golden Snitch outside of games and practices[15], ostensibly to show off for Lily, and he apparently had a habit of rumpling up his hair to suggest that he had just stepped off a broomstick


for more info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_family#James_Potter


When did this interview take place? Before Ootp or after? Are you sure she wouldn't change her mind? Because from every clue you can find in the Snape's worst memory. You can see how skillful James was in catching the snitch. If he was a chaser but he was as good as a seeker, he must be a very outstanding player. He's even much more brilliant than his son, Harry.


We've never seen Harry's chasing skills. He was probably really good at that as well. Actually, I think that he might have played other positions when playing with the Weasleys at their house. I can't remember. I might check it later. There aren't really many cluse that James was in fact a good seeker. He had the snitch in front of him, and he was letting go of it knowing exactly where it was when he caught it. It wasn't as if he was looking for the tiny snitch of a quidditch pitch.
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PostPosted: March 24, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cleo..what do you mean by chnaging her mind... once a character has been imagined... it remains like that only... you cant chnage it again and again..'

every character is given its characteristics.. n even Rowling now cant change..once she has said or written...

anyway... secobdly...if you are good at chasing..you can be good at seeking as well...

james is one xample... and u rememebr ginny..

she was a seeker... (played in harry's absence in OOTP and HBP)... but officially she was a chaser in the team...

then when harry practiced for the first time with oliver..he told harry also colud be a good beater..

so... its not neceassray you'll be good at only one thing....

so finally i want to say... JAMES WAS A CHASER... as rowling said herself.. and authors dont change once they have formed(or atleast) the description or even traits of a character....
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PostPosted: March 24, 2008 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James was a chaser, NOT a seeker.


"About the Books: transcript of J.K. Rowling's live interview on Scholastic.com,"
www.Scholastic.com
October 16, 2000

Question: What position did James play on the Gryffindor Quidditch team? Was it seeker like Harry, or something different?
J.K. Rowling responds: James was Chaser.

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htm
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PostPosted: March 24, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james and snape started bad and it got worse later cause they knew the other one liked lily

considering the fact that he made fun of snape in mean ways and ended up getting the girl it's difficult to feel remotely sorry for james lol

but i like him better than snape for sure, he was a good guy
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PostPosted: March 24, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bery26 wrote:
james and snape started bad and it got worse later cause they knew the other one liked lily

considering the fact that he made fun of snape in mean ways and ended up getting the girl it's difficult to feel remotely sorry for james lol

but i like him better than snape for sure, he was a good guy


Yes, Snape did know he fancied Lily. They started taunting each other definitely not just because they were in different houses with different opinions on dark arts, but mostly because of Lily.

But Snape was completely blinded to his own obsession of dark arts. He couldn't see how Lily detested it as well as his (would be)DE friends, Avery and Mulciber. Between his DE friends and Lily, he chose DE friends and gave up Lily. He couldn't blame James for winning Lily in yr 7 for he had already lost the game in yr 5.
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PostPosted: March 25, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, you're very right in that, in fact it's something that i've been thinking about for a while

snape's love for lily was huge, true and he really gave his life for that love, but if we really analize it, his love was a bit blind and selfish, cause he didnt understand lily that much, he didnt get her aversion for dark arts and cruelty in general and he obviously didnt know her well if he thought that saving her life would've meant anything to her if he let her husband and son die

i really have trouble understanding snape sometimes, he seemed to hate james, a man who loved lily and protected her, more than he hated voldemort, the guy who killed her and wanted to kill her son. That doesnt make much sense to me.

but still, as much as i like james, and i do like him, i cant say there was a moment where i found myself feeling sorry for him at any moment of the book, only in his death, cause he died very young, but his time at hogwart was one to envy, you cant possibly say he suffered

i dont like snape very much, but he, on the other hand, did suffer before school, during school and after it
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PostPosted: March 25, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess Snape hadn't known what love should be. He loved people in his own way and tried to convert people to what he wanted them to be. But this is not true love.

If you love someone, you love the way he is and try to bring out the good in him. That's what exactly Lily trying to do. He didn't know that . Not until Lily died.

Snape did suffered from a bad childhood but this is not a good enough reason for him to become a DE or bully the students. If he was in our muggle schools, students and parents would report him. He would carry a record or even be disqualified as a teacher.
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PostPosted: March 26, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite bit is when in the order of the phoniex the women said, You orignaly applyed for the dark arts is this right? He said "yes" then she said but you failed "obviously" and then they giggled and got hit on the head with the book. Also when she drops the measure thingy next to the music teacher LMAO.
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PostPosted: March 26, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My favorite bit is when in the order of the phoniex the women said, You orignaly applyed for the dark arts is this right? He said "yes" then she said but you failed "obviously" and then they giggled and got hit on the head with the book. Also when she drops the measure thingy next to the music teacher LMAO.


The woman's name is Professor Umbridge. And that wasn't the music teacher, that was Professor Flitwick, the Charms teacher, who apparantly leads the choir in his spare time, according to the films. In the books, that part is not mentioned, only the part about him being the Charms professor is considered canon.
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My favorite bit is when in the order of the phoniex the women said, You orignaly applyed for the dark arts is this right? He said "yes" then she said but you failed "obviously" and then they giggled and got hit on the head with the book. Also when she drops the measure thingy next to the music teacher LMAO.


looooool that was so funny

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I guess Snape hadn't known what love should be. He loved people in his own way and tried to convert people to what he wanted them to be.


thats very true

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But this is not true love.


nooo snape did truly love lily, jo said so, but sometimes he didnt get her very well
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