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cleo
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 Posted: March 19, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: Besides DD and Harry, who know the prophecy? |
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"There are only two people in the whole world who know the full contents of the prophency made about you(Harry) and Lord Voldemort..."
OK, DD and Harry knew the whole contents of the prophency, but there's a problem bugging me here. Why did the guys in the Ministry know they have to change Neville's name into Harry? How did they know.
Why DD gave the prophecy to the ministry? Didn't he know this would endanger the baby and his family?
If it is bounded by the law that they had to inform the ministry and let them keep a record whenever they knew any prophecy , did DD give them the full content?
If it didn't contain the full content, ahhhhhhh, why bother to guard it? Just let him take it(as a Christmas gift)!  |
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Indian_gal
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see.. i dont think you give prophecies to anyone..
i belive that when ever a prophecy is made its automatically stored in dept. of mystries... the prophecy room..
u never know..
because every prophecy made till date was present in that room...
every damn one ever... u think misitry gets to know about each one.. or the people who the prophecy is about..they know about it every time..
no.. and nevialle's name wasnt there on the prophecy.. was it..??
i reckon.. it was dumble dore's name... trelawney's name..
harry name...with a quest mark next to it.. n voldy..
n one thing more... snape knew half of the prophecy aswell.. just to let you know in case u dont...
another thing... if ministry knows about prophecy..it doesnt mean.. they will throw ity away to the death eaters...
voldy knew only because of snape..thats it...
no body from ministry told him.... moreover...u can retrive a prophecy..if its not made for you..nyway....
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They changed the name. It's in OotP, the lost prophecy.
That's what DD said,
"The official record was re-labelled after Voldemort's attack on you as a child. It seemed plain to the keeper of the Hall of Prophecy that Voldemort could only have tried to kill you because he knew you to be the one to whom Sybill was referring."
It's not in the movie. It only appeared in the book. |
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Maybe DD was that one who told them that it turned out to refer to Harry. I don't know, though. DD doesn't put much stock in prophecies. My guess would be that the unspeakables deal with it. Maybe DD was just excluding them when he spoke of "the world". After all, unspeakables don't talk to others about their jobs at all.
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Perhaps the Ministry (unspeakables) followed the same line of thinking everyone else did and assumed it was Harry.
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| Perhaps the Ministry (unspeakables) followed the same line of thinking everyone else did and assumed it was Harry. |
That is what was already assumed. The question was why the people at the ministry knew what the prophecy said so that they knew to change the names of the prophecy if only DD and Harry knew the whole prophecy. (I'm not really a big fan of the faces, but apparently I come off as a jerk when I don't use them.)
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| zengrenouille wrote: |
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| Perhaps the Ministry (unspeakables) followed the same line of thinking everyone else did and assumed it was Harry. |
That is what was already assumed. The question was why the people at the ministry knew what the prophecy said so that they knew to change the names of the prophecy if only DD and Harry knew the whole prophecy. |
I thought I did answer the question... although i probably wasn't clear. The question was...
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| Why DD gave the prophecy to the ministry? |
Erm, I didn't really bother answering this part. I don't think DD gave anything to the Ministry. I figured that when a prophecy was made, it somehow magically went into the Hall of Prophecies. Just like when a magical baby is born and it is magically recorded down.
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Didn't he know this would endanger the baby and his family?
If it is bounded by the law that they had to inform the ministry and let them keep a record whenever they knew any prophecy , did DD give them the full content? |
This is the part that I answered...
I don't think DD told them anything. I think they figured it out on their own.
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(I'm not really a big fan of the faces, but apparently I come off as a jerk when I don't use them.) |
Gosh, Zenny, stop being such a bitch, then. 
In general it's always harder to tell when a person is joking online, beacuse we can't hear each other's voice inflections. I'm not a fan of the smilies either, or even typing out "lol" but since being on here it's become more of a habit. I'm not sure if that's a good habit, though....
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Didn't he know this would endanger the baby and his family?
If it is bounded by the law that they had to inform the ministry and let them keep a record whenever they knew any prophecy , did DD give them the full content? |
This is the part that I answered...
I don't think DD told them anything. I think they figured it out on their own.
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See, this isn't a clear answer. I understand the bit about the prophecy just sort of appearing at the ministry when it is made. The question is who changed the name and why did that person know what the prophecy said in order to change the name. DD was the only person who knew the prophecy until Harry found out about it.
There had to have been some one at the ministry who knew the actual contents of the prophecy if a person changed the name after part of the prophecy had been ful-filled. In that case, at least three people would have known the full details of the prophecy after Harry learned about it. On the other hand, do prophecies just magically change when a person is unknown at first is actually revealed?
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Gosh, Zenny, stop being such a bitch, then.
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You have no idea how hard that is for me . . . 
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| zengrenouille wrote: |
| The question is who changed the name and why did that person know what the prophecy said in order to change the name. DD was the only person who knew the prophecy until Harry found out about it. |
Okay... I don't think that DD was the only one who knew. I think the Unspeakables knew... hence the reason why the Unspeakables were in trouble and given Devil's Snare as gifts.
I think their job is to care for the prophecies and label them. If Voldemort could attempt to figure out who the prophecy was about, and Snape, too, then maybe the Unspeakables firgured out pieces of it, too. Especially since Voldemort went after Harry.
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| zengrenouille wrote: |
| The question is who changed the name and why did that person know what the prophecy said in order to change the name. DD was the only person who knew the prophecy until Harry found out about it. |
Okay... I don't think that DD was the only one who knew. I think the Unspeakables knew... hence the reason why the Unspeakables were in trouble and given Devil's Snare as gifts.
I think their job is to care for the prophecies and label them. If Voldemort could attempt to figure out who the prophecy was about, and Snape, too, then maybe the Unspeakables firgured out pieces of it, too. Especially since Voldemort went after Harry. |
Now that was a clear explanation! 
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| The question is who changed the name and why did that person know what the prophecy said in order to change the name. DD was the only person who knew the prophecy until Harry found out about it. |
Okay... I don't think that DD was the only one who knew. I think the Unspeakables knew... hence the reason why the Unspeakables were in trouble and given Devil's Snare as gifts.
I think their job is to care for the prophecies and label them. If Voldemort could attempt to figure out who the prophecy was about, and Snape, too, then maybe the Unspeakables firgured out pieces of it, too. Especially since Voldemort went after Harry. |
Now that was a clear explanation! |
Sorry, I guess I was having a tired moment, too, lol.
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I could be mistaken and I've noted this in another thread, but I saw this in an interview with JKR and it states that Trelawney was able to attain her job as Divination professor when she spoke of the prophecy. I don't know, just something I picked up.
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| I could be mistaken and I've noted this in another thread, but I saw this in an interview with JKR and it states that Trelawney was able to attain her job as Divination professor when she spoke of the prophecy. I don't know, just something I picked up. |
Dumbledore gave Trelawney the job after she made the prediction. He wanted to protect her from Voldie and the DEs after Snape overheard her telling DD the prediction. I'm not sure which interview you are referring to.
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| I could be mistaken and I've noted this in another thread, but I saw this in an interview with JKR and it states that Trelawney was able to attain her job as Divination professor when she spoke of the prophecy. I don't know, just something I picked up. |
Dumbledore gave Trelawney the job after she made the prediction. He wanted to protect her from Voldie and the DEs after Snape overheard her telling DD the prediction. I'm not sure which interview you are referring to. |
I'm not sure which interview it was either, lol, but I remember it from somewhere. Thanks for the clarifying the reason, though.
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