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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: one confusion.. Reply with quote

im confused... do wizards/witches require wand to transform into animagus...??

in POA.. Chapt 20..
they say pettigrew dived for lupin's dropped wand... and later we say he transformed himself with the help of the wand..and ran away in teh form of a rat...

but on contradictory.... Sirius black..who had no wand when he was in Azkaban.. how did he transform into a dog..with out a wand...??

and also on the night when lupin transforms into a werewolf...

So... what actually i want to ask is that..is wand required to turn into animaguus or not...
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe it does require a wand... I have nothing to back that up though... other than what you said about Sirius not having his want in Azkaban. Interesting.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you dont need a wand to change, wormtail didnt have a wand when he transformed and escaped, you know, when lupin transformed into a werewolf in the third book
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but dint he use lupin's dropped wand??
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirius didn't use a wand in PoA or GoF, he didn't have one... I'm guessing with enough practice you don't need a wand. I remember in the books it said that the others used to have to help Wormtail change? Well, he was not known for being very good at magic, maybe after awhile a wizard doesn't need one.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that is has to do with how powerful the wizard is. You should be able to do it wandless just like any other spell if you are good enough.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about peter? he wasnt powerful right?
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bery26 wrote:
what about peter? he wasnt powerful right?


In the books it says that the others had to help him transform.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure you can transform without a wand.. and where would the wand go if you become an animal? Animals don't have pockets for the wand and they don't have hands to carry it..that would look odd if you just saw a random frog or something carrying a wand, haha..
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okie..another thing..if wormy wasnt powerful..how could he staright away kill cedric..??

remember moody(imposter) said.. young wizards like the students..if they used killing curse.. it would hardly harm its prey..

as you need to be really powerful to use the killing curse..

then how did he kill cedric.. moreover..using the Dark Lord's wand..?..when we know that
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indian_gal wrote:
okie..another thing..if wormy wasnt powerful..how could he staright away kill cedric..??

remember moody(imposter) said.. young wizards like the students..if they used killing curse.. it would hardly harm its prey..

as you need to be really powerful to use the killing curse..

then how did he kill cedric.. moreover..using the Dark Lord's wand..?..when we know that
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it does not work well when we use someone else's wand...



If the permission gives you permission to use the wand, it works just fine. It like wearing your friend's jeans. It might feel a little uncomfy, but it gets the job done.

I'm wondering if Wormtail was anything like Crabbe and Goyle. They sucked at potions and stuff, but when they learned things they were interested in, they excelled at their classes. Perhaps Wormtail was just more interested in teh Dark Arts and worked to improve himself. Or maybe he just got better with time in general. Or maybe Voldemort scared the magic out of him.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well yes..thats possible..

thank you all.. Very Happy
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
Indian_gal wrote:
okie..another thing..if wormy wasnt powerful..how could he staright away kill cedric..??

remember moody(imposter) said.. young wizards like the students..if they used killing curse.. it would hardly harm its prey..

as you need to be really powerful to use the killing curse..

then how did he kill cedric.. moreover..using the Dark Lord's wand..?..when we know that
Spoiler:

it does not work well when we use someone else's wand...



If the permission gives you permission to use the wand, it works just fine. It like wearing your friend's jeans. It might feel a little uncomfy, but it gets the job done.

I'm wondering if Wormtail was anything like Crabbe and Goyle. They sucked at potions and stuff, but when they learned things they were interested in, they excelled at their classes. Perhaps Wormtail was just more interested in teh Dark Arts and worked to improve himself. Or maybe he just got better with time in general. Or maybe Voldemort scared the magic out of him.


First of all, I loved the simile.

On top of what you said, I definately think that a wizards powers have a lot to do with his personality and interests. For instance, we all know that Harry was a powerful wizard, yet he had trouble with the unforgivable curses. He just didn't have that kind of malice in him. Tom Riddle, on the other hand, was AKing people in his teens. Maybe he have to have the strong emotions associated with a spell in order to be able to do it. That's why Jo gave Harry the patronus. It's a powerful spell that requires powerful emotions, but they're good ones.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I understand it, you don't need a wand to transform. You transform "at will" (as Hermione puts it). You just need to "will" yourself to transform, and you become the animal which reflects your nature (as JKR said). In short, it's hard to learn but once you get the hang of it it becomes second nature.

(Wormtail dove for Lupin's wand, probably hoping to kill/stun/obliviate them all before he escaped).
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Yeah I think the only reason he dove for the wand was so he could stun Ron. In the movie he uses the wand but not in the book. He only needed the wand to stun Ron.
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PostPosted: March 17, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
bery26 wrote:
what about peter? he wasnt powerful right?


In the books it says that the others had to help him transform.


exactly, so i dont think it depends on powers, after you manage to be an animagi you do the change naturally without the need for wands
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PostPosted: March 19, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: one confusion.. Reply with quote

Indian_gal wrote:
...and also on the night when lupin transforms into a werewolf...


Lupin isn't an animagus, him turning into a werewolf happens every full moon, because Greyback bit him when he was little.
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PostPosted: March 23, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: one confusion.. Reply with quote

Puking Pastilles wrote:
Indian_gal wrote:
...and also on the night when lupin transforms into a werewolf...


Lupin isn't an animagus, him turning into a werewolf happens every full moon, because Greyback bit him when he was little.


oh i know that very well.. but you mind reading the whole sentence and not just a part of it....

i was asking how did SIRIUS transform himself into a dog when he escaped from AZKBN and also on the night when lupin transformed into werewolf...

i nowhere said lupin was an animagus....
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