"How did you get here?" Harry asked, looking around for another boat.
"Flew," said Hagrid.
"Flew?"
"Yeah – but we'll go back in this. Not s'pposed ter use magic now I've got yeh."
Isn't flying supposed to be really advanced magic, to the extent that everyone was surprised that Voldemort (and Snape) could do it (in DH)? And Hagrid can't be referring to broomstick-flying, as he stated is DH:
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brooms an’ thestrals can’t take me weight, see.
And he couldn't have used the moterbike either, otherwise - where did it go?
Any ideas? _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
I have no idea. I always assumed he just kind of floated across the water to the hut. Maybe Dumbledore bewitched his pink umbrella to be extra special to get Harry?
I don't think that Hagrid flew the same way Voldemort and Snape did. I think he meant he used te motorcycle.
For one thing, everyone seemed really surprised that Voldemort could fly in DH. You would think at that point Hagrid would speak up. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
I don't think that Hagrid flew the same way Voldemort and Snape did. I think he meant he used te motorcycle.
but then what did he do with it? where did he leave it?
He could have sent it back to whence it came. Or perhaps he apparated to reach the hut.
He didn't apparate he says that he flew. Besides, he was expelled in his third year, how could he have learned to apparate? It would also probably be quite a feat for someone of his size to apparate...
As for the bike, how exactly could he have sent it back? I think any spell that could do that should be out of his ability (besides, if he could just magiclly send it back, why did he need to ride it to give it back to Sirius?)
Another point - he says he can't fly back because he's not allowed to use magic, but I don't think riding the moterbike counts as using magic, as it's already magical. He would have been better off using it then casting a spell to speed the boat... _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
He didn't apparate he says that he flew. Besides, he was expelled in his third year, how could he have learned to apparate? It would also probably be quite a feat for someone of his size to apparate...
He could have been joking about flying.
He still could have learned, even without "proper" training.
Size doesn't matter.
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As for the bike, how exactly could he have sent it back? I think any spell that could do that should be out of his ability (besides, if he could just magiclly send it back, why did he need to ride it to give it back to Sirius?)
He could have vanished it back to Hogwarts. We don't know the extent of his capabilities, all we know is he didn't graduate and therefore wasn't able to train to be as skilled as he could have been. Perhaps he had to return the bike back to Sirius because he wasn't sure where Sirius would be.
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Another point - he says he can't fly back because he's not allowed to use magic, but I don't think riding the moterbike counts as using magic, as it's already magical. He would have been better off using it then casting a spell to speed the boat...
Using the motorcycle isn't considered magic, as we learned in DH. However, it wasn't until DH that there was a side car on the bike, I believe. Perhaps it wasn't safe to transport Harry in the motorcycle in SS/PS.
I was going to say maybe he used a thestral, but using a thestral isn't magic, either. Besides, I don't think his size would allow for teh use of a thestral. Unless that is where the magic comes in. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
He didn't apparate he says that he flew. Besides, he was expelled in his third year, how could he have learned to apparate? It would also probably be quite a feat for someone of his size to apparate...
He could have been joking about flying.
He still could have learned, even without "proper" training.
Size doesn't matter.
He might have been joking, but I doubt it. Why wouldn't he just say he apparated?
Apparition isn't simple, and I doubt he would have have risked apparating without a license, for the risk of splinching.
When they learn apparition Harry seems to think that Tofty's frail build is ideal for anyone wishing to apparate, and I think I agree with him; it's quite logical that a bigger person would have a harder time apparating. In any case, I haven't found any evidence to the contrary.
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As for the bike, how exactly could he have sent it back? I think any spell that could do that should be out of his ability (besides, if he could just magiclly send it back, why did he need to ride it to give it back to Sirius?)
He could have vanished it back to Hogwarts. We don't know the extent of his capabilities, all we know is he didn't graduate and therefore wasn't able to train to be as skilled as he could have been. Perhaps he had to return the bike back to Sirius because he wasn't sure where Sirius would be.
Hagrid wasn't allowed to do magic ever since he was expelled, therefore we can safely assume that his abilities are still like those of a third year (and even then - he doesn't really seem to have been a model student). Vanishing spells are not learned until fifth year. Human transfiguration isn't learned until sixth year, and that's why he couldn't turn Dudley into a pig.
As for Sirius, this leads to another question - how did he know where Sirius was? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to just send it to wherever Sirius lived at the time? (And where did he live? Had his Mum died yet? James' parents were already dead so he couldn't have still been living there. hmm.) And I just had another thought: did he really succeed in returning the bike to Sirius before he was arrested? If so, he probably didn't have it now anyway (and even if he had it, he probably wouldn't want to use it without permission).
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Another point - he says he can't fly back because he's not allowed to use magic, but I don't think riding the moterbike counts as using magic, as it's already magical. He would have been better off using it then casting a spell to speed the boat...
Using the motorcycle isn't considered magic, as we learned in DH. However, it wasn't until DH that there was a side car on the bike, I believe. Perhaps it wasn't safe to transport Harry in the motorcycle in SS/PS.
I was going to say maybe he used a thestral, but using a thestral isn't magic, either. Besides, I don't think his size would allow for teh use of a thestral. Unless that is where the magic comes in.
I'm sure getting a sidecar wouldn't have been a problem, and besides, it wouldn't have been much of a ride (I'm assuming the Dursleys had to swim back since Hagrid and Harry took the boat, by the way). As for the thestrals, that would have a good theory except for Hagrid's statement which I brought before:
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brooms an’ thestrals can’t take me weight, see.
Although maybe he could have used a hippogriff or something bigger. But again, that isn't magic.
I'm sorry for stubbornly disputing all the points being made, but none of them are nearly satisfactory. I think this is just one of JKR's mistakes. _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
Hagrid wasn't allowed to do magic ever since he was expelled, therefore we can safely assume that his abilities are still like those of a third year (and even then - he doesn't really seem to have been a model student). Vanishing spells are not learned until fifth year. Human transfiguration isn't learned until sixth year, and that's why he couldn't turn Dudley into a pig.
haha, like not being allowed to do magic would stop him. He knew spells that were past third year, such as giving Dudley a tail and the Stunning Charm.
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As for Sirius, this leads to another question - how did he know where Sirius was? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to just send it to wherever Sirius lived at the time? (And where did he live? Had his Mum died yet? James' parents were already dead so he couldn't have still been living there. hmm.) And I just had another thought: did he really succeed in returning the bike to Sirius before he was arrested? If so, he probably didn't have it now anyway (and even if he had it, he probably wouldn't want to use it without permission).
Sirius's mom didn't die until he was in Azkaban, I believe. I think the reason wyh he couldn't vanish the bike to Sirius was because he didn't know where Sirius was living, but perhaps he figured if he took the bike to the same basic area where he picked it up from, he'd find Sirius. We don't know at what point Sirius ws arrested, since we don't know exactly whenthe confrontation between him and Pettigrew took place.
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I'm sure getting a sidecar wouldn't have been a problem, and besides, it wouldn't have been much of a ride (I'm assuming the Dursleys had to swim back since Hagrid and Harry took the boat, by the way). As for the thestrals, that would have a good theory except for Hagrid's statement which I brought before: brooms an’ thestrals can’t take me weight, see.
Technically the motorcycle is against magical restrictions. So adding a sidecar to is, might have been a problem, since having a flying one in the first place is not allowed. If it was so easy, then they would have put one on there when Hagrid brought Harry to teh Dursleys in teh first place.
And again, i adressed teh weight issue, perhaps Hagrid used magic so teh thestrals could take his weight. Or maybe he somehow used two thestrals.
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I'm sorry for stubbornly disputing all the points being made, but none of them are nearly satisfactory. I think this is just one of JKR's mistakes.
I really don't think it's a mistake, just a question that JKR hasn't answered. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
haha, like not being allowed to do magic would stop him. He knew spells that were past third year, such as giving Dudley a tail and the Stunning Charm.
He definitely didn't use magic at Hogwarts unless Dumbledore allowed him (which he probably didn't), for the risk that someone would see him and rat on him (he had to ask Harry not to mention it). And when else would he have time to train? Giving Dudley a tail was an incomplete transfiguration; he says that he tried to turn him into a pig. This just shows that he's not skilled at magic (if he had meant to just given him a tail you would be right). And when did Hagrid use the stunning spell? I don't remember that. But even if he did, it was after CoS when his name was cleared so we can assume that he was now allowed to use magic and perhaps even received training (or at least trained by himself).
But that raises another question - if so, why didn't he get a new wand? Maybe he was just used to the umbrella by now. The real question is how his magic worked properly with a broken wand, unlike Ron's wand. But this is all of topic.
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Sirius's mom didn't die until he was in Azkaban, I believe. I think the reason wyh he couldn't vanish the bike to Sirius was because he didn't know where Sirius was living, but perhaps he figured if he took the bike to the same basic area where he picked it up from, he'd find Sirius. We don't know at what point Sirius ws arrested, since we don't know exactly whenthe confrontation between him and Pettigrew took place.
I've been thinking about this. My best guess is that Hagrid didn't manage to find him before he was arrested, but he kept (and perhaps used) the bike since Sirius told him he could keep it (I forgot about that fact earlier). But still it would be interesting to know where Sirius lived; if he hated Grimmauld place so much, then why didn't he (in OotP) just go back to where he had lived before being arrested? But that's off topic again.
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So adding a sidecar to is, might have been a problem, since having a flying one in the first place is not allowed. If it was so easy, then they would have put one on there when Hagrid brought Harry to teh Dursleys in teh first place.
And again, i adressed teh weight issue, perhaps Hagrid used magic so teh thestrals could take his weight. Or maybe he somehow used two thestrals.
There was no need for a sidecar when Harry was brought to the Dursleys since he was so small (and on the contrary - it might have been dangerous; he could fall out). Not to mention that he needed to be taken immediately so there was no time to find a sidecar (especially one that big - it was probably custom made). As for the thestrals, if that was so simple, he would have done it in DH.
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Technically the motorcycle is against magical restrictions.
This, I think, might be the solution. When he said he can't use magic to get Harry back, perhaps he meant that he couldn't use the bike, since it's against magical restrictions (and not just that he couldn't use magic literally). If so, we must conclude that the bike was either nearby and out of sight and he came back later to get it, or (more unlikely) that he actually did know a spell to vanish it back to Hogwarts (or wherever).
But even this solution is a bit of a stretch. I would prefer a better, simpler solution.
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I really don't think it's a mistake, just a question that JKR hasn't answered.
You know, there are quite a lot of questions like that. How does one get the answers from her? _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
As for the thestrals, if that was so simple, he would have done it in DH.
He couldn't use magic in DH when he was at the Dursleys Huuse, none of them could. The motorcycle is magical, but doesn't require magic. Meaning, I see it running like a broomistick, it has charms on it, but you don't need a wand to use it.
So Hagrid couldn't ride on a thestral in DH at the Dursleys, assuming he would require magic to be able to get on one.
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You know, there are quite a lot of questions like that. How does one get the answers from her?
Become a reported and ask the right questions? Use polyjuice potion and become Mellissa Annelli or Emerson Spartz. Sneak into her house and steal her papers.
Sometimes one of the sites, usually mugglenet of The Leaky will advertise a need for questions or something. That pretty much the only way. You could also try e-mailing them, they sometimes try to help fans get their questions answered. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
As for the thestrals, if that was so simple, he would have done it in DH.
He couldn't use magic in DH when he was at the Dursleys Huuse, none of them could. The motorcycle is magical, but doesn't require magic. Meaning, I see it running like a broomistick, it has charms on it, but you don't need a wand to use it.
So Hagrid couldn't ride on a thestral in DH at the Dursleys, assuming he would require magic to be able to get on one.
oops yeah, you're right. But it's still a little far-fetched that he cast a spell on a thestral to get to Harry. But whatever. _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
As for the thestrals, if that was so simple, he would have done it in DH.
He couldn't use magic in DH when he was at the Dursleys Huuse, none of them could. The motorcycle is magical, but doesn't require magic. Meaning, I see it running like a broomistick, it has charms on it, but you don't need a wand to use it.
So Hagrid couldn't ride on a thestral in DH at the Dursleys, assuming he would require magic to be able to get on one.
oops yeah, you're right. But it's still a little far-fetched that he cast a spell on a thestral to get to Harry. But whatever.
I know, but's it's all I got right now, lol.
It makes sense, but I guess we'll have to wait for JKR's explanation. _________________ ^made by Fiendfyre
Besides, he was expelled in his third year, how could he have learned to apparate?
DD secretly fixed his wand or lied and told the ministry that he destroyed it. Anyway, he could have easily taught hagrid how to apparate. He always felt Hagrid was innocent and therefore would have felt justified in teaching him. _________________ Amor Vincit Omnia!
I really don't think Dumbledore would risk the ministry finding out that Hagrid did illegal magic (not to mention apparating which is illegal for anyone without a license) which would lead to his arrest. True, Hagrid himself is more lax about such things but who would teach him? _________________ "I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me." -- Tom Riddle (HBP movie).
but he only has magical education up to third year and i dont think he aquired much more, i dont think it would be enough _________________
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