In POA, Harry manages to shatter the wine glass and blow up Aunt Marge without using an incantation or wand
So in the Little Hangleton Graveyard: Voldemort: I can touch you without pain!
(moves his finger to Harry's forehead)
Harry: Arrrrgh!!!
(Voldemort's finger starts to expand...)
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That magic was uncontrolled. It is like when children wizards make things happen (ie. Harry grew back his hair when Petunia cute it). Wandless magic is possible in the wizarding world, we all know that by now. The thing is learning to control it. Harry was able to do those things only because he was angry or distraught. Under those circumstances, wizards unconsciously do magic. Doing controlled wandless magic is completely different, and it was something Harry hadn't managed throughout the book series. I'm positive that he gained that skill in time when he was working as an auror. _________________
Maybe his fault was, not being able to control it.
I mean, if all the other wizard kids also started having those moments of crazy magic then things could get messed up real soon. _________________ Harry Potter Fan Fiction--- A harry potter fan.
An untrained wizard has limited wandless magic when they are young and angry like Harry was, but I suspect that the bulk of his wandless magic could have been contribution from...
Spoiler:
Voldemort. The peice of Voldemorts soul in Harry could have been responsible for the magnitude of wandless magic he produced in PoA. Remember, he also unlocked the cupboard under the stairs, without saying anything, when he walked into the hallway to leave
Do you need a Wand to do Magic?
JKR: You can do unfocused and uncontrolled magic without a wand (for instance when Harry blows up Aunt Marge), but to do really good spells, yes, you need a wand..
there is a huge difference between underage, uncontrolled magic and wandless magic.
lily was able to make a flower move, fred turned ron's teddy bear into a spider, and harry was able to make glass disappear at the zoo.
jkr has said that the wand helps to channel the magic. not create it. _________________
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Do you need a Wand to do Magic?
JKR: You can do unfocused and uncontrolled magic without a wand (for instance when Harry blows up Aunt Marge), but to do really good spells, yes, you need a wand..
there is a huge difference between underage, uncontrolled magic and wandless magic.
lily was able to make a flower move, fred turned ron's teddy bear into a spider, and harry was able to make glass disappear at the zoo.
jkr has said that the wand helps to channel the magic. not create it.
The POA movie gives the impression of wandless magic. For example, the bartender is flipping the chairs without a wand and there is a Wizard sitting with his drink is stirring it with magic. He has his finger over the spoon and stirring it and the spoon imitated his finger movements. _________________
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Throughout the movies the film makers take tons of liberties on the rules and limits of magic JKR set up... it's really annoying that they would blatantly ignore things for their own personal reasons. _________________
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Throughout the movies the film makers take tons of liberties on the rules and limits of magic JKR set up... it's really annoying that they would blatantly ignore things for their own personal reasons.
OMG ! I know !
I know Christopher Columbus directed the first two movies and i loved them.
I forgot who did the 3rd and fourth movie but i know it was the same director. He defiantly screwed both movies up. I know the 5th movie was directed by a different person and i enjoyed it more then the 3rd and fourth movie. _________________
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Throughout the movies the film makers take tons of liberties on the rules and limits of magic JKR set up... it's really annoying that they would blatantly ignore things for their own personal reasons.
OMG ! I know !
I know Christopher Columbus directed the first two movies and i loved them.
I forgot who did the 3rd and fourth movie but i know it was the same director. He defiantly screwed both movies up. I know the 5th movie was directed by a different person and i enjoyed it more then the 3rd and fourth movie.
Nope, different directors...
Alfonso Curaon directed PoA
Mike Newell directed GoF
Curon was asked back for the fourth film, but declined because he wanted to concentrate on post-production of PoA.
The fifth film was directed by David Yates who is right now also directing HBP.
I think they all, except for Newell, did a good job. Chris Columbus made a bunch of errors, too. But you can tell he really tried to stay true to the books, you know? _________________
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Throughout the movies the film makers take tons of liberties on the rules and limits of magic JKR set up... it's really annoying that they would blatantly ignore things for their own personal reasons.
OMG ! I know !
I know Christopher Columbus directed the first two movies and i loved them.
I forgot who did the 3rd and fourth movie but i know it was the same director. He defiantly screwed both movies up. I know the 5th movie was directed by a different person and i enjoyed it more then the 3rd and fourth movie.
Nope, different directors...
Alfonso Curaon directed PoA
Mike Newell directed GoF
Curon was asked back for the fourth film, but declined because he wanted to concentrate on post-production of PoA.
The fifth film was directed by David Yates who is right now also directing HBP.
I think they all, except for Newell, did a good job. Chris Columbus made a bunch of errors, too. But you can tell he really tried to stay true to the books, you know?
I agree, but i must say that Curaon did a horrible job. He changed almost EVERYTHING. I know a new Dumbledore was needed but all of Hogwarts was changed in and out. The Fat lady use to be in a hallway and all of a sudden she was out by the stairs. The grounds changed, Hagrid's hut was located in a different area, The womping Willow lost weight, and all of a sudden Hogwarts got a Giant Clock. I also noticed they barley wore there school uniforms and i found out why, the Director told them it was okay to ware dirty muggle cloaths on the set so they felt more comfortable. lol.
(OMG ! Should i rant about the 4th movie as well ? ) _________________
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I agree, but i must say that Curaon did a horrible job. He changed almost EVERYTHING. I know a new Dumbledore was needed but all of Hogwarts was changed in and out. The Fat lady use to be in a hallway and all of a sudden she was out by the stairs. The grounds changed, Hagrid's hut was located in a different area, The womping Willow lost weight, and all of a sudden Hogwarts got a Giant Clock. I also noticed they barley wore there school uniforms and i found out why, the Director told them it was okay to ware dirty muggle cloaths on the set so they felt more comfortable. lol.
(OMG ! Should i rant about the 4th movie as well ? )
I liked what Cuaron did with the film... I think it looked really good. A lot of what was cut was originally caused by the screenwriter. And the set was different because they moved to Scotland... but that is only for the outdoor areas. And I liked it so much better. They never showed the outdoors in the first two films and they needed to for this film. Remember, the director can have ideas and veto stuff... but the production designer, costume designer, location scouts, and co-producers also have a say in it.
I hated that they wore their street clothes during the time turner scenes. That really bothered me. And I didnt like the new location of the Fat Lady... it was too out in the open... the other Houses aren't really supposed to see the comings and goings.
oh, the fourth movie? We could be here forever.... _________________
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Don't forget the great hall was changed. I really liked the look of the old Great hall set in the first two movies.
Did you notice the Director of the fourth movie took the "what-if" path.
Instead of Dobby it wound up being Nevil like Impostor Moody planned it.
Also, Why was Dobby taken out of the movie. That wasn't nice. _________________
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Don't forget the great hall was changed. I really liked the look of the old Great hall set in the first two movies.
Did you notice the Director of the fourth movie took the "what-if" path.
Instead of Dobby it wound up being Nevil like Impostor Moody planned it.
Also, Why was Dobby taken out of the movie. That wasn't nice.
Dobby wasn't in there and neither was Winky... nothing from SPEW was... as much as people hate it, it was what led to Hermione and Ron's kiss.
Both Newell and Yates did that... took out Dobby and replaced him with Neville. Newell's approach was weird because it was the "what-if." But again, I wonder if it was Newell or the screenwriter that did that. The major thing I hated hated hated about Newell, the screenwriter and every single person on that set... who the hell is Nigel? It was like they didn't want to bother with Colin OR Dennis so they combined him into one even more annoying character with no purpose whatsoever.
And the whole beginning was awful. It was some random guy in a random house... then he was in another random house... it made no sense.
The Great Hall was the same room, actually. They used the same set, I believe. Or a replica of it. Again, that could have been the production team that did that.
Oh, and whoever's idea it was to change Flitwick's appearance needs to be fired. Now.
Oh, in GoF, I hated all the allusion to H/Hr... the R/Hr scene was butchered... and for that there is no one to blame but Newell. _________________
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Do you need a Wand to do Magic?
JKR: You can do unfocused and uncontrolled magic without a wand (for instance when Harry blows up Aunt Marge), but to do really good spells, yes, you need a wand..
there is a huge difference between underage, uncontrolled magic and wandless magic.
lily was able to make a flower move, fred turned ron's teddy bear into a spider, and harry was able to make glass disappear at the zoo.
jkr has said that the wand helps to channel the magic. not create it.
I don't see Harry making the glass disappear as controlled magic. He might have thought about it disappearing, but he didn't actually intend to make it disappear. He was completely baffled that is disappeared, and he didn't realize that he made it happen.
The things that Fred and Lily did were completely different. Fred probably knew how to turn the teddy bear into a spider. Even if he hadn't gone to Hogwarts, he grew up in a wizarding family and probably knew quite a lot about magic. Lily intended tp make the flower move. She called Petunia's attention to it before she did it. Somehow, she realized that she had these powers, and she learned to harness and control them at an impressive age. This was way different that the magic that Harry managed before Hogwarts. _________________
I don't see Harry making the glass disappear as controlled magic. He might have thought about it disappearing, but he didn't actually intend to make it disappear. He was completely baffled that is disappeared, and he didn't realize that he made it happen.
The things that Fred and Lily did were completely different. Fred probably knew how to turn the teddy bear into a spider. Even if he hadn't gone to Hogwarts, he grew up in a wizarding family and probably knew quite a lot about magic. Lily intended tp make the flower move. She called Petunia's attention to it before she did it. Somehow, she realized that she had these powers, and she learned to harness and control them at an impressive age. This was way different that the magic that Harry managed before Hogwarts.
Erm... not exactly... I never said that Harry making the glass disappear was controlled magic. In fact, I think it was uncontrolled magic.
And I think Fred and Lily's was, too.
Turning a teddy bear into a giant spider is seriously advanced magic. Ron grew up in a wizarding family, too... and he couldn't even turn a beetle into a button in his first year. I think it happened out of anger. Just as Harry wished the window would disappear, so did Fred wish the bear would turn into a spider. And Lily performed uncontrolled magic, too... like when she floated off the swing.
And, also... I'm not sure I was clear when I said "uncontrolled underage" magic. I meant that they didn't know the spells for them... so yeah, I think at that point it was uncontrolled. Because how can you control something, if you don't even know how you are doing it? It's not the same as when Harry blew up his aunt... far from being the same. But it's still unchannelled magic. Maybe "unchannelled magic" is a better term I should have used. _________________
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A few things I found very interesting was what Riddle could do as a child. I have always wondered what he did to the muggle kids in the cave. But his control of the magic as a kid was very interesting I thought.
I also could be wrong but in HPOP didnt a death eater send a spell at Hermonie without a wand or was he just silenced?
A few things I found very interesting was what Riddle could do as a child. I have always wondered what he did to the muggle kids in the cave. But his control of the magic as a kid was very interesting I thought.
I also could be wrong but in HPOP didnt a death eater send a spell at Hermonie without a wand or was he just silenced?
HPOP?? I have never seen that abbreviation before, but I think you are referring to OotP, lol.
In OotP a DE used a spell nonverbally at Hermione, knocking her unconcious. He had to do it nonverbally because she had silenced him with her previous spell. _________________
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A few things I found very interesting was what Riddle could do as a child. I have always wondered what he did to the muggle kids in the cave. But his control of the magic as a kid was very interesting I thought.
I also could be wrong but in HPOP didnt a death eater send a spell at Hermonie without a wand or was he just silenced?
This is where some of us differ in opinion. I do believe that what Riddle did in that cave was controlled magic, just as with Lily and the flower in DH.
As Ginny said above, she feels that it is not controlled magic, because the kids didn't have any proper training. However, the kids did have a clear grasp on the situations. They each set out with a magical intention and esecuted what they had planned without difficulty. This seems rather controlled to me.
Oh, and back on the topic of Harry. When I recently re-read OotP, I notied that he did perform a wandless lumos spell. It was during the demeantor attack in Little Whinging. _________________
PS n COS were easy to make cause they werent that complicated nor big but as the books go on they get more ocmplicated and bigger so it gets harder to make a movie out of them so you gotta cut them some slack, i totally agree that they could of done POA better but they did a good job getting the main plot across to everyone. but they stil could of done POA wayy better. i think they did a pretty good job with GOF and OOTP but still could of been better! daivd yates did a pretty good job with OOTP so i hope he does better with HBP. _________________ Harry Potter nerds will take over the world someday..........or giant killer marshmellows.....either one....hehehehe
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