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| I think Harry wouldn`t have let someone kill him after seeing all those memories and finding out the truth. |
of course not, he's too good to hate him after that
jk actually said that harry might even to get a portrait of snape among the hogwarts headmasters |
I know, I read that somewhere. That`s really nice. But she also said that she doubts that he ever went talking to it. This is sad, however. I wish he`d go and talk with him about all what had happenned.
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| Posted: January 17, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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mmm, doubtful, i mean, do you really think portrait snape could have put differences behind and treat harry decently?
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| Posted: January 17, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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But I also think that he probably would have been dead the very moment they won. There is also all those points that everyone mentioned against him. he was a dead man no matter what really. |
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| I think Harry wouldn`t have let someone kill him after seeing all those memories and finding out the truth. |
What I meant by that comment, is that if Harry lost and kicked the bucket, Voldemort would be victorious. However, you are right, if Harry new of the memories he would have tried to save Snape. But in my version, he wouldnt and there was no elder wand. Does that make sense?
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| Posted: January 19, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| mmm, doubtful, i mean, do you really think portrait snape could have put differences behind and treat harry decently? |
I dunno. But I know that if Snape wouldn`t have died Harry would never find out everything about Snape and his mother....
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| Posted: January 21, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, you're probably right
that makes me wonder, how would've snape convinced harry of his innocence if he wasnt about to die??
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| Posted: January 22, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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show SOME of his memories to him  I guess you can`t fake those? 
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i think that you can, voldy inserted fake memories in his uncle gaunt and in this house elf (sorry, cant remember names) to cover his murders and dumbledore said that slughorn had done a really bad job altering his own memory, probably meaning that he could've done it better
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| Posted: January 24, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Oh right, yes. My bad!
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hey i have no idea, im just guessing 
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| Posted: January 26, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| hey i have no idea, im just guessing |
Yes, but you`re right! Slughorn DID somethnig with his memories. He messed them up so Dumbledore couldn`t read them afterwards. And finally he gave Harry the real ones. Kinda weird, actually.
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| Yes, but you`re right! Slughorn DID somethnig with his memories. He messed them up so Dumbledore couldn`t read them afterwards. And finally he gave Harry the real ones. Kinda weird, actually. |
Agreed!
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| Posted: January 29, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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yay! i like being right! 
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| Posted: February 17, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Voldemort Vs. Snape. |
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1. He became Headmaster of Hogwarts. ( Voldemort could be envious about it )
He wanted to be the Minister of Magic, not some Headmaster
2. Snape fell for Lily. ( He could be marked as a blood traitor. )
So? Voldemort thought it was lust. He didn't know what 'love' means anyway... Besides I think Voldie was a little smarter then. He didn't want to unnecessary rid himself of servants. I think he wouln't kill him for that.
3. Snape killed Dumbledore. ( Something Voldemort could have possibly wanted to do him self. He didn't think Draco would succeed. )
But Voldie actually kinda wanted Sev to do it anyway. He knew Draco would fail.
And as for trusting Sev, I got an impression that Voldie really trusted him. Or at least found him useful. Maybe if you are the master in occlumeny, your target doesn't feel anything? Maybe Snape was better than Voldie? If not for the wand I think Sev would be spared. Maybe he would die later, if he placed himself on the Potter's side in a battle....
I kinda get an impression that Dumbledore sent him for death... He knew Voldie will kill Sev to obtain the Wand. If he let himself be killed by any other Death Eater it could be avoided. The Wand belonged to Draco anyway...
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| Posted: February 18, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Voldemort Vs. Snape. |
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I kinda get an impression that Dumbledore sent him for death... He knew Voldie will kill Sev to obtain the Wand. If he let himself be killed by any other Death Eater it could be avoided. The Wand belonged to Draco anyway... |
I don`t think that Dumbledore sent him for death. He had no idea that Voldemort would kill him for the wand. He didn`t thought that Voldemort could be that ignorant and stupid to think that the wand was Snape`s
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| Posted: February 18, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Voldemort Vs. Snape. |
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I kinda get an impression that Dumbledore sent him for death... He knew Voldie will kill Sev to obtain the Wand. If he let himself be killed by any other Death Eater it could be avoided. The Wand belonged to Draco anyway... |
I don`t think that Dumbledore sent him for death. He had no idea that Voldemort would kill him for the wand. He didn`t thought that Voldemort could be that ignorant and stupid to think that the wand was Snape`s |
Well, where could Voldemort learn from that the Wand didn't belong to Draco? Besides Voldemort was being careless, his thoughts were simple (Snape killed DD so Snape must be the master) and I'm sure that DD was aware of that. In my opinion DD at least highly suspected that it would happen.
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| Posted: February 18, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Voldemort Vs. Snape. |
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I kinda get an impression that Dumbledore sent him for death... He knew Voldie will kill Sev to obtain the Wand. If he let himself be killed by any other Death Eater it could be avoided. The Wand belonged to Draco anyway... |
I don`t think that Dumbledore sent him for death. He had no idea that Voldemort would kill him for the wand. He didn`t thought that Voldemort could be that ignorant and stupid to think that the wand was Snape`s |
Besides Voldemort was being careless, his thoughts were simple (Snape killed DD so Snape must be the master) and I'm sure that DD was aware of that. |
Exactly! He just thought - Snape killed him = Snape is the owner. He didn`t even thought that there might be somethnig else to that.
How could DD be aware of that? You think he wantewd Snape to die?
In DH, King`s Cross DD told Harry: Poor Severus... Would he say that if he knew that Voldy was gonna kill him? I don`t know.
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Exactly! He just thought - Snape killed him = Snape is the owner. He didn`t even thought that there might be somethnig else to that.
How could DD be aware of that? You think he wantewd Snape to die?
In DH, King`s Cross DD told Harry: Poor Severus... Would he say that if he knew that Voldy was gonna kill him? I don`t know. |
i doubt very much dumble did that on purpose, maybe he was counting on voldy not finding out how that worked, yuo know, the passing of the wands
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Exactly! He just thought - Snape killed him = Snape is the owner. He didn`t even thought that there might be somethnig else to that.
How could DD be aware of that? You think he wantewd Snape to die?
In DH, King`s Cross DD told Harry: Poor Severus... Would he say that if he knew that Voldy was gonna kill him? I don`t know. |
i doubt very much dumble did that on purpose, maybe he was counting on voldy not finding out how that worked, yuo know, the passing of the wands |
Of course, he loved Sevy! lol I mean, respected.
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Exactly! He just thought - Snape killed him = Snape is the owner. He didn`t even thought that there might be somethnig else to that.
How could DD be aware of that? You think he wantewd Snape to die?
In DH, King`s Cross DD told Harry: Poor Severus... Would he say that if he knew that Voldy was gonna kill him? I don`t know. |
i doubt very much dumble did that on purpose, maybe he was counting on voldy not finding out how that worked, yuo know, the passing of the wands |
Of course, he loved Sevy! lol I mean, respected. |
I don't deny it! Really! I loved Albus (althought he sometimes pissed me off with his riddles >_<) but I mean that he should've known that Sev. would be in danger cause Voldie wanted an ownership of the Wand. I got an impression that he somehow sacrificed Sev too... for the grater good. At his place I'd do probably the same... Cause he couldn't have let Voldie know that Draco was the actual owner... But I feel bitter... Not because of DD but in the whole... I mean really... I know that it had to be Sev... The vow and all... But I wish it could've ended differently... T__T
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| I don't deny it! Really! I loved Albus (althought he sometimes pissed me off with his riddles >_<) but I mean that he should've known that Sev. would be in danger cause Voldie wanted an ownership of the Wand. I got an impression that he somehow sacrificed Sev too... for the grater good. At his place I'd do probably the same... Cause he couldn't have let Voldie know that Draco was the actual owner... But I feel bitter... Not because of DD but in the whole... I mean really... I know that it had to be Sev... The vow and all... But I wish it could've ended differently... T__T |
nooo im sure dumble didnt do that on purpose, but yeah, jo herself said he had a tiny bit of machiavellic in his plannings
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| Posted: February 19, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Exactly! He just thought - Snape killed him = Snape is the owner. He didn`t even thought that there might be somethnig else to that.
How could DD be aware of that? You think he wantewd Snape to die?
In DH, King`s Cross DD told Harry: Poor Severus... Would he say that if he knew that Voldy was gonna kill him? I don`t know. |
i doubt very much dumble did that on purpose, maybe he was counting on voldy not finding out how that worked, yuo know, the passing of the wands |
Of course, he loved Sevy! lol I mean, respected. |
I don't deny it! Really! I loved Albus (althought he sometimes pissed me off with his riddles >_<) but I mean that he should've known that Sev. would be in danger cause Voldie wanted an ownership of the Wand. I got an impression that he somehow sacrificed Sev too... for the grater good. At his place I'd do probably the same... Cause he couldn't have let Voldie know that Draco was the actual owner... But I feel bitter... Not because of DD but in the whole... I mean really... I know that it had to be Sev... The vow and all... But I wish it could've ended differently... T__T |
aww... I wish that that all could have ended differently too. I mean Voldy didn`t even had the courage to kill snape himself. He ordered the snake to do it. 
And as for danger. well... Snape basically lived in danger for all his life. I dunno, even being so good at Legilimency and Occlumency, he could have never been sure whether he`d survive or not. After all with Voldemort you never know what`s on his mind.
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Exactly! He just thought - Snape killed him = Snape is the owner. He didn`t even thought that there might be somethnig else to that.
How could DD be aware of that? You think he wantewd Snape to die?
In DH, King`s Cross DD told Harry: Poor Severus... Would he say that if he knew that Voldy was gonna kill him? I don`t know. |
i doubt very much dumble did that on purpose, maybe he was counting on voldy not finding out how that worked, yuo know, the passing of the wands |
Of course, he loved Sevy! lol I mean, respected. |
I don't deny it! Really! I loved Albus (althought he sometimes pissed me off with his riddles >_<) but I mean that he should've known that Sev. would be in danger cause Voldie wanted an ownership of the Wand. I got an impression that he somehow sacrificed Sev too... for the grater good. At his place I'd do probably the same... Cause he couldn't have let Voldie know that Draco was the actual owner... But I feel bitter... Not because of DD but in the whole... I mean really... I know that it had to be Sev... The vow and all... But I wish it could've ended differently... T__T |
aww... I wish that that all could have ended differently too. I mean Voldy didn`t even had the courage to kill snape himself. He ordered the snake to do it.
And as for danger. well... Snape basically lived in danger for all his life. I dunno, even being so good at Legilimency and Occlumency, he could have never been sure whether he`d survive or not. After all with Voldemort you never know what`s on his mind. |
Yeah... Maybe that's why it's so sad... I kinda wanted him to die in more heroic way... Facing Voldie, on the good side... Doing smth to prove his loyality in front of everyone... Yet if not for Harry's presence in the Shack, He'd die like a traitor... He didn't even have a chance of telling Voldie to kiss his ass... >_>
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