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Posts: 3442 · Posted: May 24, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject:

It was bound to happen... i mean she's been writing the series for years and no one can remember every small little detail that they put in the books. As long as the theres not a huge whole in the plot in the seventh book due to her possibly messing up on quirell im good.

Posts: 28373 · Posted: May 25, 2007 7:19 am Post subject:

agree. what's more important is the brilliance of the plot, the story, the magical world, etc.
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Posts: 27242 · Posted: May 26, 2007 1:54 am Post subject:

There is a lot that is left out or changed...

-we don't see the Hogwarts song anymore... not since PS/SS

-In PoA when Hermione and Harry get to Feast, the Sorting has already taken place... which begs to wonder how since McGonagall was with them the whole time. Which means another teacher must have brought the first years in, brought the stool and hat out and read their names off the list.

I don'tt hink that the non-introduction of Quirell is a continuity mistake, or DD forgetting or anything other than what it is... just left out. Most likely as to not draw attention to Quirell.
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Posts: 28373 · Posted: May 26, 2007 8:01 am Post subject:

as i have said, while it does make sense for her to not draw attention to quirrell, it does not make sense with the plot, since dmbledore says one thing but the evidence points to another. and dumbledore does not forget to introduce teachers. would you like the idea of dumbledore forgetting that he has a teacher to introduce? and besides, hagrid and percy knew him. prefects do not know who the new teachers are gonna be, since not even hermione (who is as prefect-ish as percy) did not know umbridge and slughorn.
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I am agreeing with Vasaver and Halfblood Princess. JK probably forgot about it and it was a mistake.
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Posts: 27242 · Posted: May 27, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject:

Maybe she wrote in the introduction and then took it out when she saw it drew attention to Quirell.
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Sometimes I wonder why we have a huge discussion over one little thing.

JK said that after Voldemort tried to get the job, no one lasted more than a year. Just because JK can be deceiving by what she says, she isn't always like that. I am going to stick with what she said and say that there was a different DADA teacher each year after Voldie came and asked for the job.

Posts: 28373 · Posted: May 28, 2007 8:17 am Post subject:

i dont think it is that small... you might want to know when voldie attached himself to quirrell when he tried to get the stone. so for all you know, quirrell may have given him some relics while he was there at hogwarts.
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although i think quirrel had the job for more than a year, i dont the evidence is that dumldore 4got to introduce him, b/c we were following the first years in the SS and they come in later and quirrel could've been introduced before they came, because after all why say a teacher's new to first years if ALL the teachers are new to them?!?! just sumthing to think about, because i think there is better evidence pointing to quirrel being a t hogwarts for more than a year.
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Posts: 28373 · Posted: June 14, 2007 7:53 am Post subject:

thank you mc peachy. you raised another point too.

pandora:
well, that could be, but hagrid said in the leaky cauldron that he had "never been the same since".

so there had to be a comparison point... before albania, and after albania.
the after albania part has to have occured before he and harry met, because that is when he said that quirrell at present is nutty.

my best solution would be this:

3 years or more before harry: quirrell applies as, idk, ancient runes teacher?
2 years before harry: quirrell meets voldie in albania
before harry: quirrell as dada teacher
harry's year: quirrellmort

= but im really unsure of that.
for one, when harry arrived, the teachers seemed to have already been there for a long time. seems like the newest is quirrell.
another, snape has been after quirrell's job FOR YEARS. true, it doesnt necessarily imply that quirrell had been there in that position. percy might have meant "snape has been after the dada post for years." if percy meant that, it obviously has nothing to do with quirrell occupying it. but wouldnt it be better if he said "snape has been after the dada post for years," instead of "snape has been after quirrell's job for years." that way, it wont imply that quirrell had been occupying that post for years.
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Posts: 28373 · Posted: June 15, 2007 8:46 am Post subject:

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i wish we could drop this stupid thread...honestly why does is matter to you so much halfbloodprincess... why can't you go by what JK says... theres no real evidence saying he had the job before... or that he didnt... only what she says in book 6 is an actual solid explanation... just take it..how does it change the book so drastically that you are taking it to such lengths to get your point across... we should all let it go

Posts: 28373 · Posted: June 16, 2007 11:40 am Post subject:

here's a thought, anthony_price. dont post here. i dont need your opinion about it, if you even have one.

well i just thought it would be useful if we dug deeper into quirrell's life because that was the only way voldemort entered hogwarts. he might have done things which we dont know, like steal relics or what.

so before you dismiss it as a stupid thread, why dont you think first?
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anthony_price, some people want to discuss their theories and things they notice. if you think this is a stupid thread don't post here.

halfbloodprincess, don't be offended. some people just think this is stupid because there is no real evidence that JK is wrong. It is just the movie that messed up.

Posts: 17157 · Posted: June 18, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject:

the difference between the movie and book quote is the "for years" part. He could have just wanted it the last year when quirrel was gone, and then again before quirrel came back. I think it is likely that he had to stand in at the tail end of the year, then he went to travel, and he took the job when he came back. Thus he would have told the school before he left for albania that he would be taking the job when he got back...no need to announce it again. Whether he had been there for years or not...he still went to Albania for a year, so DD should have welcomed him anyway. But he didn't. It's a moot point really.

Or it could be this, while voldemort was on the back of his head he was able to lift the curse for a year, so that quirrel could resume his position.
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Posts: 28373 · Posted: June 19, 2007 10:30 am Post subject:

maybe
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I don't think that is the case. Too far-fetched to follow the stories.

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