Harry Potter Forums

Posts: 282 · Joined: Mar 13, 2007 Posts: 282

Sirius told Snape to go to the shrieking shack yeah, where lupin would be waiting in werewolf form and supposedly James played no part in this. Sirius told James about it who then "saved" Snape. What if the whole school only found part of the story like the part that James "saved" Snape.Thus she(Lily) thought he was a hero and also thought she had got him all wrong leading her to fall in love with him.

What you think?

Posts: 7056 · Joined: Apr 1, 2007 Location: England Posts: 7056

i think that Lily and Snape secretly loved each other, i dont know if they did anything about it though... in Snapes worst memory he flies off the handle and in rage calls her a mudblood ... maybe this was the end of their relationship or whatever....

but she still secretly loved Snape she does thought that he didnt so she went for the man that had saved the Love of her life's life....

this needs more thought i am also trying to fit in a short fling with Remus Lupin...
_________________
SheWho, GinnyX and Ravvy
n00bbusters is the name
pwning n00bs is the game

Posts: 1084 · Posted: April 22, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject:

^^^^^Copycat^^^^^
_________________

Posts: 7056 · Joined: Apr 1, 2007 Location: England Posts: 7056

where from?
_________________
SheWho, GinnyX and Ravvy
n00bbusters is the name
pwning n00bs is the game

Posts: 1084 · Posted: April 22, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject:

jj, i just thought of my topic, Lily Love Snape???
_________________

Posts: 7056 · Joined: Apr 1, 2007 Location: England Posts: 7056

me and you can Severus/Lily ship together yay
_________________
SheWho, GinnyX and Ravvy
n00bbusters is the name
pwning n00bs is the game

Posts: 1701 · Joined: Feb 24, 2007 Location: @ my computer Posts: 1701

lol
_________________
Harry potter RP name: Zabini

Posts: 326 · Posted: April 23, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject:

I personally think James is boring and spolit. I don't know she would have fallen for that.

I'd take Mr. Greying underpants any day over James. I'd just buy him some new pairs and wash them!!! Very Happy

_________________
Remember, Remember, the 5th of November

Posts: 7056 · Joined: Apr 1, 2007 Location: England Posts: 7056

oh, yes Severus Snape is so hot *faints*
_________________
SheWho, GinnyX and Ravvy
n00bbusters is the name
pwning n00bs is the game

Posts: 66 · Joined: Apr 21, 2007 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 66

i still prefer sirius....he's more cheeky than evil hehe
_________________
sometimes love can make you selfish, sometimes it makes you stupid. sometimes it just reminds you why you love your gun.

Posts: 88 · Posted: April 25, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject:

Because Lily was stupid? In all seriousness, I don't know why. James was mean and lazy.
_________________

"Chase your dreams but always know the road that will lead you home again."

Posts: 6349 · Joined: Nov 29, 2006 Posts: 6349

i doubt it. first off there was no proof left around for love or a relationship. I can see Severus having a crush on Lilly but nothing more. She only defended snape because James was a big air head and wanted to prove to him he can't get away with anything. Not to mention Snape was one to hang around the purebloods. He even showed us his loyalty to being pureblood by calling himself the "Half BLood prince." Prince was his mother who was a pureblood. He was showing he favored only purebloods. There are no other connections showing them being together.
_________________
Join Reality Of It All!!!

Posts: 6349 · Joined: Nov 29, 2006 Posts: 6349

Posts: 326 · Posted: April 26, 2007 10:41 am Post subject:

We have no idea why Snape joined the death eaters. I have a theory on that but it will take a long time to explain

And how did you come up with the name Half Blood Prince meaning he is proud of his pure blood side. the fact that he has Half blood in the name nulifies the statement.

We don't know why he called her mudblood. So why are we guessing that it is becasue he is a bigot. Even though it was a horrible thing to say it doesn't mean that he ment it. I don't think he did. He's half blood for crying out loud. The only reason I believe he preferes his mom is because his dad was a barking lunatic and a wife beater. Who would be pleased about that?

The name Half Blood Prince could indicate that he was the firsty Half Blood in a line of pureblood princes. Ever wondered why non of his mother's family helped Eileen when she was beign beated? She was disowned because she married a muggle. The article in the papers said that Eileen Price married muggle Tobias Snape. That's equivilent to an article saying prominent KKK member marries a black woman. The reason why the article stressed on him being muggle was because they were not expecting her to marry a muggle. Could explain why she was poor. She inherited nothing from her family.

All in All there's still a lot of stuff going on with Snape that we don't know about. And he did not want to kill Sirius because of a school boy grudge- he wanted to kill him because he believed that Sirius was the secret keeper.
_________________
Remember, Remember, the 5th of November

Posts: 7056 · Joined: Apr 1, 2007 Location: England Posts: 7056

thanks DM, you always know how to smash a girls theory Laughing

(joke).... well i can live in hope Laughing

_________________
SheWho, GinnyX and Ravvy
n00bbusters is the name
pwning n00bs is the game

Posts: 6349 · Joined: Nov 29, 2006 Posts: 6349

Posts: 3282 · Posted: April 26, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject:

I can see Snape having a crush on Lily in a way. She was one of the few people who would try to help him when Sirius and Lupin were picking on him. So it may have been possible for him to have a nice big crush on her, but didnt want to show it because he was a Slytherin and she a Gryffendor. Though I dont think Lily could have liked him though, she just wanted to stop Sirius and James from double teaming Snape. Frankly if I saw two of my classmates picking on someone I would try to get them to stop.

Posts: 314 · Joined: Mar 24, 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 314

I guess I can see Severus having feelings for Lily, especially when she stood up for him. Being teased as a boy can cause you to say mean and awful things so maybe thats why he pulled the "m-bomb" Embarassed

LOL on Lily?
Maybe he saw the caring and nurturing side of Lily that he saw in his mother and found that attractive?
It's possible but its not one of my top speculations.

Didn't James save Severus' life at one point? What happened there?
Didn't Severus have a girlfriend of his own?
_________________

Posts: 326 · Posted: April 27, 2007 10:43 am Post subject:

I am only writing this because you guys have angered me into doing it.

I know I will get counteless counter agruments but it just to show that Snape doesn't have to be an evil biggot.

This is one reason why I think Snape could have joined the death eaters.

Here's my post from COS forums.

Lets start fifty years ago.

* Eileen Prince is a young student at Hogwarts. She is friends with a young boy name Tom Riddle, who is very attractive and seemingly nice.

(It is possible that Eileen went to school with Tom because the book Snape had was around fifty years old. If he got it from his mother that would place it origin around the same time as Tom's diary.)

* He does some sort of favor for her. She says one day she will repay him.

* She marries a muggle Tobias Snape against her family's wishes and is disowned.

* This Tom Riddle, after changing his name and learning more about Dark Magic decides that he needs some followers to help him achieve his evil plan.

* He remembers that there was a talented witch called Eileen who owes him a favor. He seeks to recuit her.

* But when he finds her, her state is so reduced: She is married to muggle, who abuses her and she can't even lift her wand to help herself. No matter to him: serves her right for marrying a muggle.

* But Eileen has a young son. Voldemort, now a very powerful wizard with a reputation tells Eileen that if she offers her son to his service he will spear her life, her husband's life and her son's life.

* Eileen is upset, but she has to agree. Voldemort is happy with the arrangement and leaves without killing anyone in the family.

* Elieen is hearing horrible things about Voldemort followers. She is afraid for her young son's life. She decides to start training him. She can't do much work with her wand so she gives him her advanced books from a very young age.

( This is my reason why Snape knew so many spells when he arrived at school)

* Young Severus is forced to learn off from books. He doesn't mind much anyway becasue most of the people on the street they live are afraid of him and the books provide a good escape form the shouting of his father.

* So Snape gets his letter to Hogwarts. On this day Eileen decides to tell him about the debt that she has bound him to repay. She instructs him that he must be friends with certain people who are family of current followers. She tells him he must avoid having relationships: She doesn't want him to bring a loved one into the whole drama.

* So Severus arrives at school with a chip on his shoulder and a ton of dark books in his trunk. Knowing about his debt he proceeds to be the best student so he could keep himself alive longer when the time comes for him to join Voldemort.

* He watches other students and is sad and envious. He knows that his life is doomed, so he hexes them whenever he has the chance.

*one particular student who he doesn't like is James Potter. He is everything he is not. He could play quidditch, run around with his friends, waste time and do what ever he pleases. Severus can't allow himslef to get caught up in being a teenager, he has more important things to think about.

* So James Potter begins to notice that oddball Severus is always glearing at him. He and his buds decides to make a joke out of it, which eventually gets ugly.

* Severus is not happy in school but he is even less Happy at home.

* One day he is teamed up with Lily Enans for potions. She is kind and does not judge his behavior. He finds himself confinding things in her. He tells her that he is half blood. But he knows already that he has told her too much. She generally decides that she likes Snape. Snape notices that he's falling for her. He remembers what his mother told him.

* Some day Potter and his idiot friends decide to use one of the spells he ivented to turn him over and embarass him. He is in front of a bunch of students, some of them the same people his mother told him he must be friends with. He doesn't want them to think he is weak.

* Then Lily shows up and tries to defend him. His mother warned him not to get anyone he loved involved in his life. He calls her mudblood. Her feelings are so hurt that she responds to him in anger. He manages to get himelf down before James shows his business to the whole school.

* His father dies.

* The summer after.

He happens by accident to run into Lily and her family. Her father invites him over for dinner and he accpets ( he couldn't help himself). He spends a few days with Lily and her family against the advice of his mother.

( I think that Snape was the awful boy petunia was talking about. She never refered to James as the awful boy before)

* When school reopens he and Lily continue to be friends ( secretly). He is desperately in love with her but he knows he can never tell her, so he resigns the idea. He often wonders of she had any feelings for him but was afraid to say because he never showed he thought of her as anything but a friend.

* Lily starts to date guys. It sending him crazy but he has to act like he doesn't care.

* eventually she started to date James. This is a very harsh blow as he is certain that James would be the one to keep her. He begins to distance himself from her.

* he hates James so much. He wants him to get expelled. So he snoops around looking for reason for him to get in trouble. Then he sees one of his friends sneaking out of the castle. He inquires about it and he is given half answers. He is eventually told to follow him to find out what he is up to. He Follows remus and there he was, a werewolf. The werewolf was going to attck him until James came and saved him.

* He tells Dumbledore who already seems to know the boy is a werewolf. DD seems very trusting, no one in thier rigth mind would trust a werewolf.

* He still hates James and he is certain that James was a part of the whole thing but backed out at the last moment.

* They graduate from Hogwarts. Severus knows that it is time to repay his debt.

* Severus joins the Death Eaters

* He learns that Lily has married James and is crushed.

* All is okay with the Death Eaters until he hears a prophacy. He heard the whole thing and decided that he would tell Voldemort only half. If Voldemort dies he and his family will be free.

* Voldemort decides that the person the prophacy is refering to is either the Longbottoms or the Potters. He has reliable information that these two people who have trice defied him has babies.

* Severus is shocked to learn that Lily has a child. His emotions are on the high at that moment.

* Voldemort know that Severus went to school with those two people so he asked him his opinion. Severus is paniced. He tells him the longbottoms.

* Voldermort reads Severus' mind and sees his relationship with Lily and sees how good a witch she is. He scolds Severus for not offering up the better choice.

( this is what I think Snape's rant about: "Those who wear their haert on thier shoulders" in Occlumency was about.)

* Severus begs Voldermort not to choose Lily.

* Voldemort has made up his mind but he tells Severus he would spear the mudblood out his good graces. Thougt he will owe him greatly.

* Severus thanks him. However he is still skeptical and is not willing to leave Lily's life in the hands a person who loves to murder. He remembers how dumbledore was sympathetic towards Lupin.

* He goes to Dumbledore and tells him everything, about his mother and why he had to join the death eaters and how he told Voldemort propahcy.

* Dumbeldore says that he will forgive him and he understands. He comes up with a plan to hide Severus's mother, to fake her death, so Voldemort would no longer hold her over his head.

* He tells the Potters about Voldemort Plan. They know they have to go into hiding. James says he wants sirius was the secret keeper. Snape warns him against it.

( this is why Snape is POA said: he was "too arrogant to believe he might be wrong in Black"

* Lily has a chat with Snape. The way she interpreted the prophacy it sounded like Harry would survive the attcack. She makes Snape promise to protect harry if anything should happen. he says he will.

* Lily dies and Voldemort is gone.

*He notices that his mom was right what she told him not to get in relationships because it would only cause pain. He is devastated by Lily's death.

* But the Death Eaters are still at large so they continue to hide his mother. They give her a posistion as a librarian in Hogwarts, while Snape becomes a teacher. She is still not doing magic well even though her husdand has died.

* Snape is forced to keep the fact that she is his mother away from everyone. But Dumbeldore appoints Filch to act as a go between the two.

* So Harry arrives at Hogwarts and he looks disgustingly like James. he is still forced to protect him though.

There you have it. This is a perfectly logical sequence. Some people say that the characters are repeating themselves and that Draco is Snape.

We see how Vodlemort recuits Draco.

What is he got Snape that same way.

I am expecting a shower of argumets and accusastions of basing my thoeries on fanfic. But I must tell you, I seach boards for theories, accept some, regect some and then try to piece it together. That's why it seems like its a narrative. In order to know if a thoery could be true, you have to look at it as a whole picture and not in isolation.

Right off the bat I regect any theory where: Snape did not care for Lily. Because i think it is painfully obvious at this point.

And any thoery where Snape is working for Voldemort.

I base this on the sole act in GOF when Snape, without being asked showed the minister of magic that his dark mark had gotten clearer to defend Harry's word. That was a completely selfless act and he has no reason to do it other than, he wants Voldemort dead.

I have tried the Snape is obsure path but that will leave too many things in the open and there is only one more book to go, Snape obsure will require at least two more books.

The reason why I think Madame Pince is Snape mother is because:

Irma Pince= I am Prince
or I'm a Prince

We know that there is something going on between Snape, Filch and the Librarian. This is too long to expalin. You should check it out on COS forums.

If she is Snape's mother then the whole thing can be explained to Harry by her. She is still in Hogwarts. I would also like to point on that Irma Pince was the only one wearing a vale at the DD funeral. She was the only one morning Severus as well and you will notice who is standing next to her, Filch. Filch and Snape always seem to be up to something, around the library.

All in All I think a Good Snape makes sense and an evil Snape makes no sense. And no author in their right mind reveals the secret villian in the sixth book of a seven book series. These things are always kept till the end.

I'm not saying that this will happen. I'm just showing how it could happen and that because Snape said and did whatever, doesn't make him bad. We don't know the whole story.
_________________
Remember, Remember, the 5th of November

Posts: 6349 · Joined: Nov 29, 2006 Posts: 6349

Lets start fifty years ago.

Harry Potter Forums

Harry Potter Community and Bulletin Boards