they say that the feminist movement is destroying the family. what do you say about it?
what i have to say?
RUBBISH!
feminism need not destroy the family. its simply the empowerment of women. for a long time, women have always been the "weaker, second class" sex. now we are reclaiming our rights as equal members of society. _________________
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they say that the feminist movement is destroying the family. what do you say about it?
what i have to say?
RUBBISH!
feminism need not destroy the family. its simply the empowerment of women. for a long time, women have always been the "weaker, second class" sex. now we are reclaiming our rights as equal members of society.
i agree, families are stronger because woman can make money and add to the family's income. i dont like seeing mothers go back to work and drop their kids off so a facility can raise them but sometimes they do not have a choice. _________________
there are radical feminists who think that childbirth should be removed because it hinders the woman. well, id have to disagree with that.
but the thing is, feminism is really about empowering women. there is nothing wrong with an empowered woman. in fact, it is good. there is nothing wrong with a woman working. i think it should be good. it teaches children to be less dependent on them. but again, like all parents, you have to achieve a balance between working and having a family. besides, you have to be realistic: you'll have financial problems of only the man is working (at least for the average family). i think its a good idea for women to both contribute to household expenses, be in charge of her own expenses, grow as a professional, and be independent.
its all the men planting these stupid accusations against feminism.
1. why did women stick to their husbands before? no it isnt love. its because of FINANCIAL DEPENDENCE. many marriages, realistically, wouldnt last. they only last if the woman is financially dependent. what a sick way of keeping the family. you are bound not by love, but by economic reasons. that is so not healthy.
2. how come many of the people i know have working moms, yet they are not rotten? its because our mothers know how to balance work, with taking care of the family. so the real problem is not in the fact that women work. it is because some mothers just dont know how to raise a family. so we need training programs for that,
3. what is the point of having mothers stay at home when half the time their kids are at school? what? the woman will be all alone at home cleaning the house? i think that instead of mommy doing all the cleaning, everyone should pitch in.
4. and that brings me to the fourth point. men dont want to clean diapers. so they leave all the dirty work to the women. well i think that men should contribute in child rearing and house cleaning. after all, it is their family and their house as well. why depend entirely on the woman?
however, i am not against the idea of being a housewife. if that is what makes you happy, then go ahead. but i am a firm believer that while you can be a full-time mother, you can also be other things. you can be a part-timer for instance. that is what my aunt did. she wanted to be a full time mother. but she realized that half the time her kids would be in school. so she became a part time teacher. another is that you can have a small business, like say a laundry shop or a little cafe. if you are good in cooking, i think a cafe should be a good idea.
what really sickens me is when men force their wives to be full time housewives. i mean, she has a right to live her own life. you shouldnt dictate upon her just as long as she does her job as a mother. and you ought to be a good father just as well. family raising is not just a woman's job.
what really sickens me more is that men think feminism is crap. well, feminism doesnt just encompass housewives. it encompasses a whole wide range of stuff like rape, domestic violence, double standards in morality, and a whole lot more.
and to think that in our country, women are better off compared to many other countries? wow. i can imagine the oppression. or rather, i cant even imagine what kind of oppression these poor women feel. _________________
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I always tell her we are equal and that is what our relationship is based on.
I don't see it has anything bad. I told her she has the power to do what ever she please. (Just as long has it isn't bad of course.) _________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
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I think its a good thing...but there are..."side effects". kids wont get as much attention or care as they used to. I mean its easy enough when kids go to school but how do you handle it before they go? I don't like the thought of sending my baby off somewhere to be raised by someone else all day...yet I want to have a career. so I just don't know how to balance that. that balance is the key. I don't think it destroys the family but it does pose some problems. but it has its benefits too...more income and better role modeling for the girls. and of course the man could always stay at home too, while the wife works. thats what my parents did before we went to school.
There's a difference between Feminism and wanting female equality.. Most hard line feminist aren't really going to have families in the first place because that would be submitting to a man.. and well.. thats a no-no.. But No, a woman have the same rights as a man does not make her less of a mother, wife, etc.
What is destroying the "family" is the fact that 16, 17, and 18 year olds are becoming mothers before they are mature enough to handle it. I'm 21 and I know I couldn't care for a baby.. well not couldn't.. I wouldn't want to.. I don't want the responisbility.. and I couldn't efford one in the first place without draining my parents which isn't fair to them.. That's why I always say if your not on the pill.. wrap it up twice!
yeah ive a problem with female equality. what exactly do you mean by equality? equality in terms of dignity, or equality, like we are almost men? i hate that kind. some feminists actually want us to become men, and supress all qualities associated with femininity, like being emotional and stuff. why should we become men? we were created female and we ought to be proud of it! proud of being emotional, sensitive, sweet, and proud of having the ability to bear children.
and about dominance in the family, this is what i think. IT SHOULD NOT BE GENDER BASED!!! if the man has leadership traits and the woman is submissive, there isnt anything wrong with the man being the head. if the woman is a born leader and the man a born follower, why the hell should he be the head of the family? its all supposed to be consensual, not gender based. and yes it may not work out, having two heads in the family. ideally, thats how it should be. but in many cases its not gonna work. but if it works for you, all the better! _________________
I would like to commend you for putting realistic options that let people admit that there are gray areas. Most of these polls only have options that are black and white, so I just can't make a decision. I don't think that feminism is going to be the ultimate fall of the family unit. There are always going to be women who marry and raise their children as house wives. There are also going to be women who never marry and live as workaholics. There is also always going to be everything in between. The first mistake is believing that women of the past put all of their energies into raising their children. Women throughout history have had to do everything from milking cows at dawn to beating their families clothes against rocks. They really didn't have any more time to take care of their children than a woman who works a 40-hour week. Women have always been working more than 40-hour weeks on tops of raising their children. Of course many women today are going to want careers. It's ingrained in our roots. _________________
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....I swear I posted in here earlier. why isn't it hear? crap. I don't feel like typing all that out again. basically I said...it does have "side affects" on the family..some negative, but its not going to destroy it necessarily. it also has good affects. it all really depends on balancing work and home, and the fathers should have to balance that too. before my sister and I were in school my dad stayed home and my mom went to work. and its easy to say that you can balance it when kids are in school...but what about before then? I don't like the idea of getting my baby a nanny or whatever to raise it all day...they'll spend more time with them than their parents. but I want a career too...so idk what I'd do. its tough. there's no right answer. you just have to find something that works for you and your family. _________________ They say home is where the heart is, so your real home's in your chest. --Captain Hammer
i think its okay to get nannies or as long as you make it a point to spend more time with the kids than with the nannies.
or ive another idea. if you spend more time at work than your child does at school, you could mke them enroll in all these extracurricular activities like sports and science clubs and the school paper and stuff. not only will your kid benefit from all these extra curricular stuff, but your kid wont feel much your absence in the home.
or i know of this person who is a big businesswoman here. she put her house right beside her business so that she could stay at home and work, or her kids could just simply go to her office an stay with her. there, she would teach her kids about how the business goes, and that someday in the future they will be inheriting it. its actually a good idea. _________________
yeah but when you work 8 hours in a day, say you get home at 5...your kids gonna go to bed at like 7. they get to see your for two hours but their nanny for 8 or so. once you get them into school yeah you can put them in extra curriculars, that's a good idea. I just don't know how to maneuver the before school stages. maybe I'll just adopt them at kindergarten age lol. _________________ They say home is where the heart is, so your real home's in your chest. --Captain Hammer
True feminism is about equailty. Equality in the workplace, in the home, and in the government. It is about being able to press charges for domestic violence. It is about being allowed to take math classes in school... and also about boys being allowed to take cooking classes if he so chooses. It is not about who opens the door first, but simply that the door is open.
Women going to work is not going to mess up the child.
The child will be fine. It's the rest of society that has a problem with it.
I know plenty of mothers who don't work who neglect their kids. Same with househusbands. Just because a parent stay at home, doesn't mean the child is automatically getting more parental attention.
Both of my parents worked full time since I was 9 months old. I was brought to a daycare center that was ran by very nice people. I grew up with other kids, many of them very different. There was always somebody to play with and talk to. Day care is not a death sentence. Neither is having a nanny.
I turned out just fine. A little obsessed with HP, but for the most part, fine.
Of course I missed my parents sometimes. And sometimes I wished they would leave me alone. I was a typical, normal kid.
I am very close to my parents... my mom is practically my best friend and my dad is my partner-in-crime.
I learned at an early age what hard work meant. I never blamed them for working hard, I knew it put food on the table and a roof over my head. They never missed a birthday or ballet recital.
My mom made home cooked meals most nights and even baked cookies and cakes. My dad took me to baseball games and pumpkin picking.
Having both parents work is not the worst thing in the world, for me it was the best.
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yeah but when you work 8 hours in a day, say you get home at 5...your kids gonna go to bed at like 7. they get to see your for two hours but their nanny for 8 or so.
oh but they dont go to bed at seven. they go to bed at ten.
and no they wont see their nanny for 8 hours. assuming they are at school from 8-3, your kids will only see the nanny for 3 hours. and the nanny is just there to take them to their dance lessons (or whatever lessons theyre taking up.)
Arabella wrote:
once you get them into school yeah you can put them in extra curriculars, that's a good idea. I just don't know how to maneuver the before school stages. maybe I'll just adopt them at kindergarten age lol.
its alright to hire a nanny for the times when you are not at home. its also alright to send them to a day care center. that way, they get to socialize with other kids. but make sure that you spend QUALITY time with the kids. when i was little, my mom hired a nanny for me. but i didnt like my nanny any better than i liked my mom (well, sounds like i didnt like my nanny. well no i did, but i wasnt more attached to her than my mom.)
however, i agree that it is perfectly okay for one parent to stay at home and take care of the kids while theyre still babies.
GinnyX wrote:
True feminism is about equailty. Equality in the workplace, in the home, and in the government. It is about being able to press charges for domestic violence. It is about being allowed to take math classes in school... and also about boys being allowed to take cooking classes if he so chooses. It is not about who opens the door first, but simply that the door is open.
Women going to work is not going to mess up the child.
The child will be fine. It's the rest of society that has a problem with it.
I know plenty of mothers who don't work who neglect their kids. Same with househusbands. Just because a parent stay at home, doesn't mean the child is automatically getting more parental attention.
i agree.
GinnyX wrote:
I turned out just fine. A little obsessed with HP, but for the most part, fine.
lol. me too.
GinnyX wrote:
Of course I missed my parents sometimes. And sometimes I wished they would leave me alone. I was a typical, normal kid.
me too. hmm... i am close to my mom. im not close to my dad though. we had a big fight. but i used to be really close to him. he was my playmate. in fact, i was closer to him before because he was more playmate-like. my mom was the strict, stern mom who forbade me to eat junk food and insisted that i eat lousy-tasting, healthful sandwiches. oh and she very much controlled my coke intake. and she was obsessed with braiding my hair. i used to hate it. but now, i realize that i miss those days. but i cant have her braiding my hair all day. i gotta learn to braid my own hair (not that i know how) and feed myself and dress myself and bathe myself. _________________
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Sexual equality is good. I just don't like how some women argue that "All men are sexist." Hypocrisy much?
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Sexual equality is good. I just don't like how some women argue that "All men are sexist." Hypocrisy much?
I completely agree, and it applies to racism as well.
I agree, as well. It's a double standard. Of course not all men are sexist. When women say that, it is unfortuante because it makes the rest of us look like a bunch of male-bashers just because we call ourselves "feminists."
Feminism is not about hating men or wanted them to feel weaker, that would be a complete hypocrisy. Feminism is about equality, through and through. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan "To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice. With pie." ~ Anya <3
Sexual equality is good. I just don't like how some women argue that "All men are sexist." Hypocrisy much?
I completely agree, and it applies to racism as well.
I agree, as well. It's a double standard. Of course not all men are sexist. When women say that, it is unfortuante because it makes the rest of us look like a bunch of male-bashers just because we call ourselves "feminists."
Feminism is not about hating men or wanted them to feel weaker, that would be a complete hypocrisy. Feminism is about equality, through and through.
I agree, and I'm actually more angry at female supremacists because they make feminism look bad, and the word feminist in itself doesn't really help - there should be a word with a more 'equality of the sexes' connotation.l _________________
you have a point there. i never thought of that. i think it was given that title because we need to empower women. men are already empowered. the focus of equality of the sexes is on women. and besides, that title was given in the 60's (i think.) maybe coz they saw it more as a movement meant for empowerring women rather than attaining equality.
but if you ask me, i do agree with you. it should be named like "equalism" or something. coz to achieve gender equality, men also have to be involved. i mean, feminism empowers women, yes. but it doesnt sound like it contains stuff about men sharing with the household chores or taking care of babies. it doesnt talk about men bringing out their feminine side. i think "equalism" (i dunno, just a word i came up with) will bring about gender equality faster, better, and less violent. instead of attacking men, we cooperate with them, they cooperate with us. its not about competition, but cooperation, to achieve gender equality. _________________
Haven't had time to read the rest of the posts, other than HBP's initial post, but my views are...there is a difference between believing in feminism, and being a feminazi.
I'm all for men and women being equal. I think it's highly retarded that some people still actually think it's considered the worst thing ever if a woman is in the working environment, or doing something other than cooking and cleaning all day.
Feminazis just ruin that entire image, though. The whole "IF YOU MARRY AND HAVE CHILDREN YOU SET US BACK!" Eff that.
If a woman wants to work, fine. If she wants to be a housewife, fine. WOmen and men have choices in their life and careers. Neither extreme should dominate what women (or men) "must" do with their lives.
On a side note, I'm seeing much more...hmm..."intolerance" may be the right word...towards men. More and more men are becoming the stay-at-home parent, or at least no longer the breadwinners. It's really disheartening to hear people just label these men as "fags" and other names just because they aren't lumberjacks.
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