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Nazgulian
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Eragon and LOTR Reply with quote

Eragon seems to have many, er, "similarities" to LOTR. Both start with a hero living in an agricultural community, in which the occupants are ignorant of the outside. Then, evil, mysterious things in black cloaks show up and eventually the hero escapes with the help of a rough, but wise person.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes. and it has similarities with starwars... esp when you read the second book. eldest.

however, i still love the book, in spite of the unoriginality. i love the characters (though not as much as the hp characters), and im so in love with murtagh.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes. The Star Wars/Eragon similarities. Here are a few: The main character is a teenage boy who's parents are gone, so he lives with his relatives. His guardian(s) are killed, so he goes away with a rough, but wise person who was once part of a mystical order of good, and is soon killed by a person in a black cloak. He then flys in a huge battle, siding with a resistance against an empire, and eliminates something very significant. After that, he goes away to train with a very old, but wise mentor and becomes one of the mystical, good order.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most epic stories follow a basic formula. That is why they all seem so similar.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
Most epic stories follow a basic formula. That is why they all seem so similar.

true
I thought the same until I read Eldest and I matched them together. He almost literally copied and pasted it from star wars plot twist from plot twist.
I'm glad you enjoy them HBP, he is a good writer despite being unoriginal.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes ginnyx... but i cant say that jkr copied lotr to make harry potter. there's just something so incredibly similar about eragon and lotr, and then after eldest, eragon and star wars.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I'm not saying anyone copied anyone. They just followed the formula, some times inadvertantly. I doubt JKR even realized.



I'm not sure of the exact formula, but it's something like...

It always starts out with an unfortuante kid.... most of the time orphaned and not well off financially.

He discovers a whole other world (or part of the world) that he didn't know existed.

He goes from feeling worthless, to realizing he's more important than he ever dreamed of.

He meets a wise, elder person who guides him.

There is a main mission to accomplish, with several small adventures along the way. The main mission is something huge, that has to do with mankind and good vs. evil.

As he accomplishes this mission he grows, matures, and eventually, becomes a hero.

Good triumphs over evil.

The formula also includes a setback, the death of the wise person, and lots of secrets he uncovers.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but LOTR was the first I can think of that followed that format.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe follows a similar formula...

and it was written before lotr, if im not mistaken.
this formula has existed long before harry potter, eragon, and lotr.
the thing is eragon and lotr are really quite similar. not just with the forumla, but the setting, the environment, etc.
harry potter follows the same formula but is still completely different.
the lion the witch follows the same formula but again is distinguishable from the other stories. the same goes for stardust. and the same goes for starwars.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The similarities are because one inspired the others. It almost cant be helped.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
Oh, I'm not saying anyone copied anyone. They just followed the formula, some times inadvertantly. I doubt JKR even realized.



I'm not sure of the exact formula, but it's something like...

It always starts out with an unfortuante kid.... most of the time orphaned and not well off financially.

He discovers a whole other world (or part of the world) that he didn't know existed.

He goes from feeling worthless, to realizing he's more important than he ever dreamed of.

He meets a wise, elder person who guides him.

There is a main mission to accomplish, with several small adventures along the way. The main mission is something huge, that has to do with mankind and good vs. evil.

As he accomplishes this mission he grows, matures, and eventually, becomes a hero.

Good triumphs over evil.

The formula also includes a setback, the death of the wise person, and lots of secrets he uncovers.


My book, that I'm writing, actually follows pretty dang close to that format. It is weird, but it can't be helped.
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PostPosted: November 19, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:

I'm not sure of the exact formula, but it's something like...

It always starts out with an unfortuante kid.... most of the time orphaned and not well off financially.

He discovers a whole other world (or part of the world) that he didn't know existed.

He goes from feeling worthless, to realizing he's more important than he ever dreamed of.

He meets a wise, elder person who guides him.

There is a main mission to accomplish, with several small adventures along the way. The main mission is something huge, that has to do with mankind and good vs. evil.

As he accomplishes this mission he grows, matures, and eventually, becomes a hero.

Good triumphs over evil.

The formula also includes a setback, the death of the wise person, and lots of secrets he uncovers.

Wow I've never really noticed that before. Seems like a lot of things, including some tv shows follow that format.
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PostPosted: August 5, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do have a lot of similarites. Though i still liked the series a lot. There one of my favorites.
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