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KGsoccer11
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| draco_malfoy_hp wrote: |
ya i think he will kill some death eaters but lucius is in askaban right?  |
yeah but dude, it's obvious that LV will get them out..i mean i hate to compliment him but he's voldemort lol
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shewhoshouldnotbenamed
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| Posted: April 6, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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yeah unless you get someone/somthing stronger on your side lol
i think u need the dementors back lol
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draco_malfoy_hp
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| Posted: April 6, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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well maybe lv does not want him any more he did mess up alot of times
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KGsoccer11
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| Posted: April 6, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| draco_malfoy_hp wrote: |
| well maybe lv does not want him any more he did mess up alot of times |
yes but he's very popular among the death eaters so i'm sure he will be back and remain in his spot as a death eater.
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draco_malfoy_hp
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| Posted: April 6, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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ya that does make sense now that i think about it i think that he will be back i gess
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shewhoshouldnotbenamed
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| Posted: April 6, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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yeah that would tie in with DD's plan i think
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toonmili
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One thing: Snape didn't tell Harry that he took the vow. Harry overheard him and Draco talking. Unless you mean to say that he had a feeling Harry was there and choose to tell Draco at the moment forf Harry's benifit so Harry would understand what he had to do later in the book?
Is that what you meant.
But my main prolem with this, though it is possible I am a firm believer in DIATSSASE. I have read the arguments against it and it all based on what mugglenetients like to call 'canon'. But you can't go on canon. There is a whole book of 'canon' to come, so whose to say what is canon and what is not.
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shewhoshouldnotbenamed
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: |
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yeah i understand, its a very good theory,
yeah that is what i meant
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toonmili
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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This could be true as it is odd that Snape didn't use muffalito, it would have been an ideal time to use it.
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Check this out! (proves snape is good) |
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also, when some death eater was torturing harry snape said leave him alone he is for the dark lord. He did this because he didn't want harry dead because he is really good.
Lastly when harry called snape a coward snape fired a nasty curse at harry when he could have easilly killed harry right there, instead he did something else.
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I've read people making this point and I never understand why. The reason he didn't kill Harry is right there. As he said Harry is for the Dark Lord, it would be contradictory to kill him then even if he had a personal vendetta against him! This is not to say I don't believe Snape is good but what I think is more important from that scene to show Snape is good is, ""Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth
shut and your mind closed, Potter!" sneered Snape,"
That sounded to me more like a last piece of advice that Snape could give to Harry before he leaves more that anything. |
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toonmili
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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^^^Cool where on at the same time^^^
But couldn't Snape just petrificus totalus Harry and throw him over his shoulder and carry him to Voldy.
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| Well any of them could, the same death eater could have. But that wasn't the mission for the night. I'm sure Voldermort will have some bigger plan for time and place between him and his archnemesis. |
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draco_malfoy_hp
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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ya i totaly agrey
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toonmili
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Well any of them could, the same death eater could have. But that wasn't the mission for the night. I'm sure Voldermort will have some bigger plan for time and place between him and his archnemesis. |
Man I have to say I disagree. I think Snape was protecting Harry all the way. Those Death Eater were ready to kill him, especially Bella. Are you forgeting she tried an unforgivable curse that Snape Blocked.
Snape in the begining tries (assuming it's Snape and I think you said you don't completely believe DIATSSASE) to convince Bella that he is in close with the dark lord and he is prevy to plans that the rest of DE are not. We know this is lie because he clearly did not know the DE planned to attck that night.
Bella, who always follows Voldy's orders tries to kill Harry. Snape stops her telling her that the Dark Lord wants him alive. Could this have been snape preteding to know more than he does.
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| Posted: April 7, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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ya that makes alot of sense
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Firstly let me make it clear, I do not think Snape is bad, I think Snape is still on the good side because I trust Dumbledore's judgment. If Snape is bad then the odds would be stacked too much against Harry. With Dumbledore gone, having Snape still on the good side will bring better balance.
I'm just trying to be objective. There is no point being here with only one side being said and others like that Slytherin drone agreeing with everything. 
"Have you forgotten our orders?
Potter belongs to the Dark Lord - we are to leave him! Go! Go!"
You're assuming it was Bellatrix, it isn't actually said anywhere that it was her who performed the Cruciatus Curse.
There are three Death Eater there, and they all follow his orders in a heartbeat.
Why?
Because even if it isnt an order they heard from LV, they have good reason to believe Snape knows what he knows. As Narcissa called him, "You are the Dark Lord's favorite, his most trusted
advisor".
Who knows what the hell he is thinking though,
"Snape was a highly accomplished Occlumens," said Lupin, his voice
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toonmili
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| Posted: April 8, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| With Dumbledore gone, having Snape still on the good side will bring better balance. |
That's a good point. But I know that you don't think that Snape is bad.
But off the topic for a moment
I am starting to think that DIATSSASE is really the truth.
Because st the time of Spinner's end Snape is probably the third best wizard alive. But I think Voldermort knows how good Snape is and wants him on his side and DD also knows how good Snape is but I don't think Snape realises how good he is. In OOTP he tells Harry DD is a very powerful wizard, while he may feel comfortable saying his name ( voldermort) the rest of us... and he holds his wrist.
So Snape knows that DD is a powerful wizard. If it was Snape and he knew what the vow was asking that would mean he was agreeing to.
1) Kill DD, without asking DD if he had plans to die.
2) Kill himself, because he knows on a regular day he will never be able of defeat DD. Becuase not even Voldermort could do that.
And lets not pretend that anyone ever thought that Draco would be able to kill DD.
I think only DD would be able to make this decision. Snape would not be so bold to make it.
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